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 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:36 am
ncsweet Eponishta What I think is even sadder is that people are still saying, 9 years after the events unfolded on live TV, that the US government destroyed the Twin Towers to blame Al Qaida... I wouldn't go that far, but personally I think that Bush was well aware that there was going to be an attack, and that he allowed it to happen so that he could further his own agenda and eventually go to war with Iraq. Sorrry, but Al Qaida is a very sore subject for me, and I'm probably one of a very small number of people, who actually knew who they were long before 9/11 ever happened.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:46 am
Aakosir ncsweet Eponishta What I think is even sadder is that people are still saying, 9 years after the events unfolded on live TV, that the US government destroyed the Twin Towers to blame Al Qaida... I wouldn't go that far, but personally I think that Bush was well aware that there was going to be an attack, and that he allowed it to happen so that he could further his own agenda and eventually go to war with Iraq. Sorrry, but Al Qaida is a very sore subject for me, and I'm probably one of a very small number of people, who actually knew who they were long before 9/11 ever happened. And I also believe that some blame must be placed upon Clinton's head, since he also knew there would be an attack in the US, but didn't act. I do not believe that it is plausible that the US Government created the destruction of the WTC by terrorist hijackers out of whole cloth.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:23 pm
Aakosir That the only reason we're at war is because Bush wants to oil wells in the middle east. I still can't believe he was re-elected... Oil was a big factor, and I think an need to complete what his father started. He was reelected, because we were still riding on that post-9/11 wave, and no one wanted to really "rock the boat". It wasn't until his 2nd term that people started realizing that there really were no WMD, and that maybe his reasons for going into Iraq were crap. Eponishta And I also believe that some blame must be placed upon Clinton's head, since he also knew there would be an attack in the US, but didn't act. Actually Clinton did act, including several air strikes in 1998. He was well aware of the threat that Al Qaida posed, and he definitely passed that knowledge on to Bush when he was elected. It's unfortunate that the press (and Congress) was more interested in stained dresses, than of the more important things that were really going on at the time. Quote: I do not believe that it is plausible that the US Government created the destruction of the WTC by terrorist hijackers out of whole cloth. They didn't have to create the destruction - all Bush had to do was sit back and let it happen. Funny how the plane that was going to hit the White House is the only one that didn't hit it's target.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:07 pm
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Actually Clinton did act, including several air strikes in 1998. He was well aware of the threat that Al Qaida posed, and he definitely passed that knowledge on to Bush when he was elected. It's unfortunate that the press (and Congress) was more interested in stained dresses, than of the more important things that were really going on at the time.
Clinton did not act when he was given the credible information that Al Qaida was targeting the US, he passed the buck. He made half hearted attempts during his residency as the President of the US to retaliate for the USS Cole bombing and several US embassy bombings, but he gave up way too easily.
I am not saying Bush did any better. But had Clinton acted on the knowledge he had instead of handing it off as the next man's problem, then I certainly believe that the WTC tragedy would not have happened in the first place.
Personally, I believe that if the press would actually follow leads and report the real news instead of fluff pieces that mean nothing other than a chance to further their personal opinions instead of truth that the US would be a better place and we wouldn't have so many crooks in office.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:46 pm
You're thinking too small. The president doesn't really have that much power- The backers of the presidents, however, do. They have the lobbyists, they pull the strings, they sell the fear and the hate through the media. I'm talking the groups who have trade routes to gain from controlling middle eastern countries. I'm talking the military industry, in which many companies got multi-billion dollar contracts from the wars.
It's all about the economy, it's all about capitalism, it's all about the profit.
We set up Saddam, by the way. Being buddies with a dictator is great for trade. (We're also involved with Indonesia- Adidas likes their low overheads. it makes more profit) We backed him when he attacked Iran, but turned against him when he attacked our more profitable allies, Kuwait.
Saying that it's the president's fault or goal is really falling into the trap, getting angry at the figurehead, the effigy. Bush was too stupid to have plans like that. The businessmen who make livings on cutting corners and trying to exploit any system they can- They have the mental power to come up with such ideas.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:03 pm
ncsweet Aakosir That the only reason we're at war is because Bush wants to oil wells in the middle east. I still can't believe he was re-elected... Oil was a big factor, and I think an need to complete what his father started. He was reelected, because we were still riding on that post-9/11 wave, and no one wanted to really "rock the boat". It wasn't until his 2nd term that people started realizing that there really were no WMD, and that maybe his reasons for going into Iraq were crap. Eponishta And I also believe that some blame must be placed upon Clinton's head, since he also knew there would be an attack in the US, but didn't act. Actually Clinton did act, including several air strikes in 1998. He was well aware of the threat that Al Qaida posed, and he definitely passed that knowledge on to Bush when he was elected. It's unfortunate that the press (and Congress) was more interested in stained dresses, than of the more important things that were really going on at the time. Quote: I do not believe that it is plausible that the US Government created the destruction of the WTC by terrorist hijackers out of whole cloth. They didn't have to create the destruction - all Bush had to do was sit back and let it happen. Funny how the plane that was going to hit the White House is the only one that didn't hit it's target.
And yes! Those planes could have been shot down within minutes! Did they not realize three were straying from their paths? That one plane that was "brought" down was really close to my house. I like to believe the story of the civilians attacking the pilots, but it's not that plausible. It was most likely shot down by some jets.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:07 pm
divineseraph You're thinking too small. The president doesn't really have that much power- The backers of the presidents, however, do. They have the lobbyists, they pull the strings, they sell the fear and the hate through the media. I'm talking the groups who have trade routes to gain from controlling middle eastern countries. I'm talking the military industry, in which many companies got multi-billion dollar contracts from the wars. It's all about the economy, it's all about capitalism, it's all about the profit. We set up Saddam, by the way. Being buddies with a dictator is great for trade. (We're also involved with Indonesia- Adidas likes their low overheads. it makes more profit) We backed him when he attacked Iran, but turned against him when he attacked our more profitable allies, Kuwait. Saying that it's the president's fault or goal is really falling into the trap, getting angry at the figurehead, the effigy. Bush was too stupid to have plans like that. The businessmen who make livings on cutting corners and trying to exploit any system they can- They have the mental power to come up with such ideas.
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:00 am
Considering that the Qur'an was the most advanced book of it's time, with things like saying that men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah* and that force conversing into a religion is a major sin**, along with SUICIDE being extremely sinful***, and some could argue still is one of the most advanced books, I'd say that people are stupid. Oh well, I can't do anything about the ignorance of humanity. If I could, I would, but since I can't, I wouldn't try.
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* (Sura 16:97) And whosoever does a righteous deed, be it male or female, believing, We shall assuredly give him to live a goodly life; and We shall recompense them their wage, according to the best of what they did.
** (Sura 10:99-100) If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand
*** (Sura 4:29-30) Do not kill yourselves, for Allah is compassionate towards you. Whoever does so, in transgression and wrongfully, We shall roast in a fire, and that is an easy matter for Allah.
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