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Delta Four Sicilian Captain
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 Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:22 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Aka_Saiyaku SOLIDNSNAKE all games have an aspect of luck. i cant tell you how lucky ive been occasionally when my friend pulled out raigeki and u had magic jammer. its all just luck sometimes. maybe its jsut me but i see no problem with letting the banned cards come off the list. What they're saying is: A game can't be 100% luck. There's no fun in a game that is based solely in good luck or bad luck. That's like playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet in a six slot revolver. You sit there, and you spin, and you hope to god your opponent gets the bullet, but he lives to make another breath. The same goes with YGO based on Luck. You sit there and hope he doesn't draw that one card and you keep getting dead draws. In the end, it's all nerve-racking and what's the fun in a game like that? IVE ALWAYS LOVED THAT TYPE OF THING. THE WONDERING OF WHAT THEY DREW. THE SUPRISE OF A FACE DOWN. but serously when it comes down to it no matter what you say EVERY DUEL has luck in it. the card comes up at the right time. good luck. you draw a card with all magic cards. bad luck (or good luck i guess) its in every game one way or another. but we are getting off topic kinda i still think all cards should come off the ban list. but thats my oppinion. people say cards are unfair or whatever but hey you can use the cards too. I don't say this often, I really really don't. But you're an idiot. The game would be NOTHING but FTKs at that point. Whoever wins the die roll wins. Bakuram: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/luckRead. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but the positive outcome from a very low probability is the DEFINITION OF LUCK.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:25 pm
plus you have to take into consideration that almost all the cards on that list are very hard to come by some people don't like buying cards because they always get the same ones in the pack and when you try to buy them elsewhere they cost a fortune so they decide to use cards not on the banlist and make decks that work even better because of it
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:39 pm
Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE Aka_Saiyaku SOLIDNSNAKE all games have an aspect of luck. i cant tell you how lucky ive been occasionally when my friend pulled out raigeki and u had magic jammer. its all just luck sometimes. maybe its jsut me but i see no problem with letting the banned cards come off the list. What they're saying is: A game can't be 100% luck. There's no fun in a game that is based solely in good luck or bad luck. That's like playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet in a six slot revolver. You sit there, and you spin, and you hope to god your opponent gets the bullet, but he lives to make another breath. The same goes with YGO based on Luck. You sit there and hope he doesn't draw that one card and you keep getting dead draws. In the end, it's all nerve-racking and what's the fun in a game like that? IVE ALWAYS LOVED THAT TYPE OF THING. THE WONDERING OF WHAT THEY DREW. THE SUPRISE OF A FACE DOWN. but serously when it comes down to it no matter what you say EVERY DUEL has luck in it. the card comes up at the right time. good luck. you draw a card with all magic cards. bad luck (or good luck i guess) its in every game one way or another. but we are getting off topic kinda i still think all cards should come off the ban list. but thats my oppinion. people say cards are unfair or whatever but hey you can use the cards too. I don't say this often, I really really don't. But you're an idiot. The game would be NOTHING but FTKs at that point. Whoever wins the die roll wins. Bakuram: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/luckRead. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but the positive outcome from a very low probability is the DEFINITION OF LUCK. there exists bad luck and good luck. and the first definition ont he page you gave me says, " the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities" sorry i think your deffinition is a bit off. correct me if im wrong for a first turn kill you actually need to draw those cards. sometimes people will get lucky and draw them (or unluckily for the people there facing) can you honestly name a full deck (40 to 60 cards) and say that NO MATTER what hand they draw it will be a first turn kill. i highly doubt it. i play traditional i have no problem playing with things limited to 1 but to go out of there way to ban cards just cause they are "unfair " or something is BS. i cant think of an unfair card. i can think of cards that i see and yea im angery they pulled them off but i wont be like "OMG GUYS CARD MUST BE BANNED CAUSE ITS UNFAIR" ive gotten caught in the yata lock so many times but ive found ways around it. if you do say the cards are unfair thats why they are banned then tell me why are certain cards not banned like beast king barbaros star dust dragon assualt mode needle worm (at least limited) grand mole. (cheap as hell) ETC i have complaints but when they are used on me i dont get angry i may be annoyed but i dont get to tpoint where i think a card should be banned EVER
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 pm
Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE Aka_Saiyaku SOLIDNSNAKE all games have an aspect of luck. i cant tell you how lucky ive been occasionally when my friend pulled out raigeki and u had magic jammer. its all just luck sometimes. maybe its jsut me but i see no problem with letting the banned cards come off the list. What they're saying is: A game can't be 100% luck. There's no fun in a game that is based solely in good luck or bad luck. That's like playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet in a six slot revolver. You sit there, and you spin, and you hope to god your opponent gets the bullet, but he lives to make another breath. The same goes with YGO based on Luck. You sit there and hope he doesn't draw that one card and you keep getting dead draws. In the end, it's all nerve-racking and what's the fun in a game like that? IVE ALWAYS LOVED THAT TYPE OF THING. THE WONDERING OF WHAT THEY DREW. THE SUPRISE OF A FACE DOWN. but serously when it comes down to it no matter what you say EVERY DUEL has luck in it. the card comes up at the right time. good luck. you draw a card with all magic cards. bad luck (or good luck i guess) its in every game one way or another. but we are getting off topic kinda i still think all cards should come off the ban list. but thats my oppinion. people say cards are unfair or whatever but hey you can use the cards too. I don't say this often, I really really don't. But you're an idiot. The game would be NOTHING but FTKs at that point. Whoever wins the die roll wins.Bakuram: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/luckRead. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but the positive outcome from a very low probability is the DEFINITION OF LUCK. lol, thanks for the definition.. blaugh ..wouldja like to see mine? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Probabilityhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Chancehttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Consistencyso if the game wasn't based on luck, that would happen? 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:45 pm
xxduhxx12 plus you have to take into consideration that almost all the cards on that list are very hard to come by some people don't like buying cards because they always get the same ones in the pack and when you try to buy them elsewhere they cost a fortune so they decide to use cards not on the banlist and make decks that work even better because of it kinda! like harpies feather duster that came with a game i understand some are hard to come by but they have re released ALOT of cards.( not all) i was so happy when i pulled toon world from magic ruler (i think it was) and now i see it common. i had a heart attack when i pulled my head of exodia from LOB. now my friend has like 20 common ones.i have the short printed thousand eyes idol from pharoah servent . THEY REMADE IT SO ITS KINDA NOT SHORT PRINTED ANYMORE (technically it is but its not if you get what i mean) just cause cards are hard to get doesnt mean you should ban them IMO.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:44 pm
How hard a card is to get has no bearing on its status on the banlist. It all has to do with how bad an effect it has on the tournament environment.
In the case of Harpie's Feather Duster, it was banned because of how overpowered and one-sided its effect is: at no cost to you whatsoever, you get to destroy every single Spell & Trap card your opponent controls.
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Delta Four Sicilian Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:14 pm
Bakuram Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE Aka_Saiyaku SOLIDNSNAKE all games have an aspect of luck. i cant tell you how lucky ive been occasionally when my friend pulled out raigeki and u had magic jammer. its all just luck sometimes. maybe its jsut me but i see no problem with letting the banned cards come off the list. What they're saying is: A game can't be 100% luck. There's no fun in a game that is based solely in good luck or bad luck. That's like playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet in a six slot revolver. You sit there, and you spin, and you hope to god your opponent gets the bullet, but he lives to make another breath. The same goes with YGO based on Luck. You sit there and hope he doesn't draw that one card and you keep getting dead draws. In the end, it's all nerve-racking and what's the fun in a game like that? IVE ALWAYS LOVED THAT TYPE OF THING. THE WONDERING OF WHAT THEY DREW. THE SUPRISE OF A FACE DOWN. but serously when it comes down to it no matter what you say EVERY DUEL has luck in it. the card comes up at the right time. good luck. you draw a card with all magic cards. bad luck (or good luck i guess) its in every game one way or another. but we are getting off topic kinda i still think all cards should come off the ban list. but thats my oppinion. people say cards are unfair or whatever but hey you can use the cards too. I don't say this often, I really really don't. But you're an idiot. The game would be NOTHING but FTKs at that point. Whoever wins the die roll wins.Bakuram: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/luckRead. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but the positive outcome from a very low probability is the DEFINITION OF LUCK. lol, thanks for the definition.. blaugh ..wouldja like to see mine? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Probabilityhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Chancehttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Consistencyso if the game wasn't based on luck, that would happen? 3nodding Bakuram, for the love of god. You're a ******** idiot. Luck is the label for an outcome to probability, chance, and consistency. When something with a low chance by high payout occurs that is called luck. Have I ever once said you were wrong in your explanations? No. I have been saying that you are misinterpreting the definition of luck.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:24 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE there exists bad luck and good luck. and the first definition ont he page you gave me says, " the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities" sorry i think your deffinition is a bit off. correct me if im wrong for a first turn kill you actually need to draw those cards. sometimes people will get lucky and draw them (or unluckily for the people there facing) can you honestly name a full deck (40 to 60 cards) and say that NO MATTER what hand they draw it will be a first turn kill. i highly doubt it. i play traditional i have no problem playing with things limited to 1 but to go out of there way to ban cards just cause they are "unfair " or something is BS. i cant think of an unfair card. i can think of cards that i see and yea im angery they pulled them off but i wont be like "OMG GUYS CARD MUST BE BANNED CAUSE ITS UNFAIR" ive gotten caught in the yata lock so many times but ive found ways around it. if you do say the cards are unfair thats why they are banned then tell me why are certain cards not banned like beast king barbaros star dust dragon assualt mode needle worm (at least limited) grand mole. (cheap as hell) ETC i have complaints but when they are used on me i dont get angry i may be annoyed but i dont get to tpoint where i think a card should be banned EVER The luck s**t had nothing to do with you. If you've gotten into a Yata LOCK you wouldn't get out of it. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A LOCK. Getting pecked once or twice with resources still available to you isn't a lock. Want to bet I can't? Monsters 7: 1 Cyber Jar 3 Broww 3 Thunder Dragon Spells 33: 1 Graceful Charity 1 Card Destruction 1 Serial Spell 3 Book of Taiyou 3 The Shallow Grave 1 Painful Choice 1 Pot of Greed 3 Dark World Dealings 3 Hand Destruction 3 Magical Mallet 1 Foolish Burial 3 Upstart Goblin 3 Into the Void 1 Harpies' Feather Duster 1 Heavy Storm 1 Giant Trunade 2 Book of Eclipse 1 Monster Reborn 1 Premature Burial One of many "I go first, I win the match" decks. Want to try again? beast king barbaros - No need, whatsoever. Three tributes for a possible two monster kill? Congrats, you just -1'd yourself. star dust dragon assualt mode - Too hard to get out and I've beaten this thing a few times. needle worm (at least limited) - No need. Milling is not a problem in Advanced because EMPTY JAR IS GONE. grand mole. (cheap as hell) - Limited like it should be, not game breaking enough to make it ban worthy. Try again.
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Delta Four Sicilian Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:26 pm
Ritemaster Wilren How hard a card is to get has no bearing on its status on the banlist. It all has to do with how bad an effect it has on the tournament environment. In the case of Harpie's Feather Duster, it was banned because of how overpowered and one-sided its effect is: at no cost to you whatsoever, you get to destroy every single Spell & Trap card your opponent controls. gryphons wing to reverse it or majic jammer or dark bribe. take your pick to stop it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:27 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Ritemaster Wilren How hard a card is to get has no bearing on its status on the banlist. It all has to do with how bad an effect it has on the tournament environment. In the case of Harpie's Feather Duster, it was banned because of how overpowered and one-sided its effect is: at no cost to you whatsoever, you get to destroy every single Spell & Trap card your opponent controls. gryphons wing to reverse it or majic jammer or dark bribe. take your pick to stop it. Magic Jammer is a -1, please use that, I don't care. I'll have the card advantage for game. Gryphon's Win is a trap that hits one card. So not only do you have to concern yourself with the chances of drawing it, but you have to concern yourself with the chances of it living long enough to be used against Harpies' Feather Duster. Try again.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:34 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Ritemaster Wilren How hard a card is to get has no bearing on its status on the banlist. It all has to do with how bad an effect it has on the tournament environment. In the case of Harpie's Feather Duster, it was banned because of how overpowered and one-sided its effect is: at no cost to you whatsoever, you get to destroy every single Spell & Trap card your opponent controls. gryphons wing to reverse it or majic jammer or dark bribe. take your pick to stop it. "X isn't broken because (very small cluster of cards) can stop it" is the refuge of people with no sense of how this game works, especially when they rattle off cards specifically made only to counter X, as you've just done. This is like saying Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning isn't broken because Necrovalley and Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer can keep it from being summoned.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:35 pm
I can see brain control becoming hit my the banhammer although it's been at 1 for so long it could be stationary as always. Magician of Faith would be interesting to see I'd assume deck would possibly a bit more spell heavy from magician of faith at 1. She would give monarchs, Tele-DAD, and other synchro decks a big boost.
Mass driver or ronintoadin 1 or the other should be BANNED.
Launcher and Archfiend should go to 1 to stop the broken loop.
Lastly, I've heard cyber dragon is coming back to 3 is this true or even be possible or healthy to the gameplay of yugioh?
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:36 pm
Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE there exists bad luck and good luck. and the first definition ont he page you gave me says, " the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities" sorry i think your deffinition is a bit off. correct me if im wrong for a first turn kill you actually need to draw those cards. sometimes people will get lucky and draw them (or unluckily for the people there facing) can you honestly name a full deck (40 to 60 cards) and say that NO MATTER what hand they draw it will be a first turn kill. i highly doubt it. i play traditional i have no problem playing with things limited to 1 but to go out of there way to ban cards just cause they are "unfair " or something is BS. i cant think of an unfair card. i can think of cards that i see and yea im angery they pulled them off but i wont be like "OMG GUYS CARD MUST BE BANNED CAUSE ITS UNFAIR" ive gotten caught in the yata lock so many times but ive found ways around it. if you do say the cards are unfair thats why they are banned then tell me why are certain cards not banned like beast king barbaros star dust dragon assualt mode needle worm (at least limited) grand mole. (cheap as hell) ETC i have complaints but when they are used on me i dont get angry i may be annoyed but i dont get to tpoint where i think a card should be banned EVER The luck s**t had nothing to do with you. If you've gotten into a Yata LOCK you wouldn't get out of it. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A LOCK. Getting pecked once or twice with resources still available to you isn't a lock. Want to bet I can't? Monsters 7: 1 Cyber Jar 3 Broww 3 Thunder Dragon Spells 33: 1 Graceful Charity 1 Card Destruction 1 Serial Spell 3 Book of Taiyou 3 The Shallow Grave 1 Painful Choice 1 Pot of Greed 3 Dark World Dealings 3 Hand Destruction 3 Magical Mallet 1 Foolish Burial 3 Upstart Goblin 3 Into the Void 1 Harpies' Feather Duster 1 Heavy Storm 1 Giant Trunade 2 Book of Eclipse 1 Monster Reborn 1 Premature Burial One of many "I go first, I win the match" decks. Want to try again? beast king barbaros - No need, whatsoever. Three tributes for a possible two monster kill? Congrats, you just -1'd yourself. star dust dragon assualt mode - Too hard to get out and I've beaten this thing a few times. needle worm (at least limited) - No need. Milling is not a problem in Advanced because EMPTY JAR IS GONE. grand mole. (cheap as hell) - Limited like it should be, not game breaking enough to make it ban worthy. Try again. yea but i find ways out of it now certain cards that would be great against it and umm looking at your deck list 1 Monster Reborn 1 Premature Burial 2 book of eclipse 1 giant trunade 1 heavy storm first hand with draw. im not seeing a one turn win. try again i said make a deck where no matter what you draw is a one turn kill.. so yea try again and barboros : 3 tributes field nuked on your opponents and you can attack directly with that and whatever else you have... seems pretty cheap to me star dust dragon assualt mode: offer and you can stop and destory anything at the price of virtually nothing....kinda cheap to me needle worm: i use it but i still think 5 cards is over kill especially when i have used 5 in one duel (go pot of avarice) grand mole: o right so basically fing over every monster that comes out isnt game breaking at all. i have a monster in face down defence you have a very powerful monster you summoned last turn and destroyed one of my monsters. grand mole attacks its sent back to your hand. sorry its a cheap a** card in many situations. if i was a stiff about the ban list ide want it banned but as i said i dont care. im jsut bringing up examples of cards that i dont see why they arent on there
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:37 pm
XxBlOoDxXsHoTxX I can see brain control becoming hit my the banhammer although it's been at 1 for so long it could be stationary as always. Magician of Faith would be interesting to see I'd assume deck would possibly a bit more spell heavy from magician of faith at 1. She would give monarchs, Tele-DAD, and other synchro decks a big boost. Mass driver or ronintoadin 1 or the other should be BANNED. Launcher and Archfiend should go to 1 to stop the broken loop. Lastly, I've heard cyber dragon is coming back to 3 is this true or even be possible or healthy to the gameplay of yugioh? Cyber Dragon is a rumor. The loop will be hit. Frogs are more likely to lose Substitoad over anything else. Though I would prefer Mass Driver to avoid stupid loops to continue.
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Delta Four Sicilian Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:40 pm
Ritemaster Wilren SOLIDNSNAKE Ritemaster Wilren How hard a card is to get has no bearing on its status on the banlist. It all has to do with how bad an effect it has on the tournament environment. In the case of Harpie's Feather Duster, it was banned because of how overpowered and one-sided its effect is: at no cost to you whatsoever, you get to destroy every single Spell & Trap card your opponent controls. gryphons wing to reverse it or majic jammer or dark bribe. take your pick to stop it. "X isn't broken because (very small cluster of cards) can stop it" is the refuge of people with no sense of how this game works, especially when they rattle off cards specifically made only to counter X, as you've just done. This is like saying Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning isn't broken because Necrovalley and Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer can keep it from being summoned. i see no problems with envoy of the beginning just like all of the other cards. i still am not seeing any problems with these "for some reason banned" cards keep trying to help me to see why they are indeed banned.
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