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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:30 pm


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That's some awsome strategy, as it also works in the case of organic foods and other neat things. Except when it comes to medical testing.

I believe it's possible to improve the conditions of lab animals in medical testing facilities, possibly outlaw military testing, and pound seizure. But it's impossible to go about it the same way. You can't refuse to be protected by the military, and if you have a medical condition such as diabetes and require medication tested on animals to stay alive, it would be... counterproductive, to say in the least, to not take the medication you'd required.

So what other options are there? For one, a nation-wide database. This may aide more in the realms of industrial and cosmetic testing, but possibly military and some fringe medical also. The results of animal tests are not recorded on a large scale- thus, experiments are often repeated again and again by different companies. (The Draize test, for example.) By putting all of this together in a database, it could legitimatly reduce the amount of animals required for testing. Stronger laws could be proposed and enacted- such as regulations putting rats under protection, outlawing pound seizure, etc...

(But I buy non-animal tested products, too, as what you suggested is an awsome approach. All of my personal hygeine stuff is not tested on animals, and most of it is vegan also.)
A nation-wide database would be a great idea, and you're right, it really would reduce the number of animals required for testing.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:19 pm


A database, huh? That's a neat idea! biggrin

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Wishbone Redemption

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:37 am


rikuHEART
A database, huh? That's a neat idea! biggrin


There would have to be more government involvement in the industry, and that could face opposition- it would interfere with competition or some such to let everyone see the results of testing in a database. I'm sure someone would argue that it's not fair, and it would take some serious legislation to get it passed. But it's an option, I suppose.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:24 pm


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I'm sure someone would argue that it's not fair.
Well, that's to be expected. There isn't ever going to be a time when EVERYONE agrees with the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:25 pm


Animal testing never gives 100% accurate results we already know how things effect them, we should start testing on humans.
one question, Why is it wrong to test on humans but its alright to test on animals?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:07 am


Temba
Animal testing never gives 100% accurate results we already know how things effect them, we should start testing on humans.
one question, Why is it wrong to test on humans but its alright to test on animals?
Because most humans are arrogant and selfish, valuing themselves more than other species. stare

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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:27 pm


Temba
Animal testing never gives 100% accurate results we already know how things effect them, we should start testing on humans.
one question, Why is it wrong to test on humans but its alright to test on animals?
Although I do not agree that it is "right" to test on animals, or "wrong" to test on humans, I stated a few pages back why animal testing isnecessary in many medical cases. Because of the human life cycle, it would take centuries to complete a series of test on humans, and progress would never be made because you have to go through several gerenations of testing to insure that there are no major genetic side affects. In rats, this takes a year or two to get mutliple generations. In humans, medical progress would never be made. Personally, I am a big fan of medical progress. I've had the mumps, a disease that we are vaccinated against, so supposedly, we shouldn't be able to contract it because our system should already have the antibodies for it. I can tell you, having your lymph nodes swell up to the size of softballs is not a fun experience. The mumps is, however, one of the milder diseases that we are vaccinated against, so it could have been worse. I could have gotten Polio, or Rhubella. Thankfully, because of medical advancements made possible by testing, most people will not have to endure and die from those conditions anymore.
And it is true, that side affects will differ between humans and animals, but we can get an idea of how a human will react to a drug through animal testing, then we can modify the drug to try to change and minimize the side affects. And we DO test on humans, it's actually kind of an old fall back "I can't get a job but I need money so I'll go sign up for medical tests" joke. A drug cannot be released for mainstream use unless it has been extensively tested and documented on humans in the subgroup that it is aimed at.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:48 pm


I agree with Aria, some humans are worth saving. Of course, we don't want to put our lives before animals', but I believe that no living thing, human or not, deserves a death that could have been prevented. True, most humans value themselves more than other speices, but there are still some, like ourselves (as selfish as it sounds) who deserve medicine when we get sick.

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Chocolatey Sprinkles

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:36 pm


I only agree with animal testing on medicinal terms. For things like shampoo, cosmetics, or anything of that category, I completely disagree with.

I noticed on the poll that 7 people said animal testing should be completely illegal. I would have to disagree. My friend Olivia is diabetic, and if it weren't for medicinal animal testing, she would not be alive today. Measles, Mumps, Rubella, TB, Polio, and Rabies have had vaccines developed thanks to animal testing. Ever know anyone who had Open-Heart surgery? Operations on animals helped develope Open-Heart surgery techniques. Antibiotics, HIV drugs, insulin, and cancer treatments all rely on animal testing.

So before you go "ALL ANIMAL TESTING IS BAD", think for a second and realize that it is not all bad. Animals have helped us in the medical field and I am thankful for that. Try to see if you know or knew anyone who has/had any of those diseases, or had/had Open-Heart surgery, or has diabetes, HIV, or cancer.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:51 pm


And there have also been many many many animal tests for animal medicines, so it doesn't just benefit humans.

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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:54 pm


*waves hand* I had the mumps! It sucked. Seriously. I'm glad that they have a vaccine so that most people won't get it. My vaccine was defective or something, so the virus got through, but it was apparently still milder than it would have been if I hadn't had the vaccine, because my body did have a few antibodies for it, just not enough to prevent the disease.

But, as I've said before, Animal Testing for medicinal reasons is an necessary evil. One of my close friends has Ulcerative Collitis. The medication that keeps her Colon from turning into one giant ulcer and eating itself was developed through animal testing. Another friend of mine has Chrones disease.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:05 pm


And there are humans in this world worth protecting against illnesses. smile So for medical reasons, I am with animal testing. But with something as lame as makeup...? rolleyes

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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:36 pm


rikuHEART
And there are humans in this world worth protecting against illnesses. smile So for medical reasons, I am with animal testing. But with something as lame as makeup...? rolleyes
Agreed that's.... gah, words cannot describe how idiotic I think that is.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:42 pm


AriaStarSong
rikuHEART
And there are humans in this world worth protecting against illnesses. smile So for medical reasons, I am with animal testing. But with something as lame as makeup...? rolleyes
Agreed that's.... gah, words cannot describe how idiotic I think that is.
3nodding

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Psycho_Katie

PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:14 pm


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