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 Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:38 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual. Eh... lots of people that I have met say they are.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:19 pm
I've read through most of the posts in this thread. Personally, I think it's brainless for someone to just automatically label someone else a religious bigot for disagreeing with them. I think very few people who are against gay marriage are actually bigots but I go with the stronger definition of the word that was used to (for example) describe KKK members who were so full of hate they would willfully hurt someone both emotionally and physically. The word carries a lot of meaning at least to me so I'm not quick to use it.
With that being said I think it would be stupid to ignore the hand religion plays on those who are in opposition to same sex marriage but I'm not sure it's the real culprit behind most of the opposition. What I think it comes down to is something innate to humankind, we don't do too well with changes to solid longstanding and very firmly established cultural norms. Marriage in some form or another exists in every culture I know of, it's basic purpose (although not the only one in every case) isn't to unite those in love it's for the perpetuation of the species, it establishes familial units and serves as a center to societies, more or less. It's the longstanding tradition that we are all familiar with that proponents of same sex marriage are trying to change and that's no small feat even if the reasoning behind it seems very sound.
Basically people don't come around quickly when it comes to big changes.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:21 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual.
That isn't the point, however. The point you tried to state is being able to love another of the same gender and, as I told you, I think it might be possible.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:23 pm
MingLeChat divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual. Eh... lots of people that I have met say they are.
Whether or not I'm bisexual is not the case here.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:54 pm
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual.
That isn't the point, however. The point you tried to state is being able to love another of the same gender and, as I told you, I think it might be possible.The point of asking that was to prove that homosexuality is not a choice. If you can NOT choose, what makes you think THEY can? If you CAN be romantically attracted to the member of your own sex, you're bisexual.
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:35 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual.
That isn't the point, however. The point you tried to state is being able to love another of the same gender and, as I told you, I think it might be possible.The point of asking that was to prove that homosexuality is not a choice. If you can NOT choose, what makes you think THEY can? If you CAN be romantically attracted to the member of your own sex, you're bisexual.
However, I don't it is black and white for every single person who is homosexual. Some want to be a homosexual and some can't control it. I can't be certain because not a reliable test has been shown to me on this yet.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:57 am
I thought it was Established, that if you clearly can choose, then you are Bisexual, if you cannot, you are either Hetero, or Homo? (Or possibly Asexual ...... )
On Topic:
Most aren't really bigots, i see them more as either "too afraid of Hell (or the wrath of GOD) to question the Scriptures & those who preaches from them", or as downright misinformed ......
However, one could also see it like this:
They are Bigots, but unaware of it, so it is not really willful.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:16 am
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Also, on the issue of homosexuality be a choice, for anyone who believes it is- Would YOU be able to choose to love someone of the same gender?
I may have a sexual attraction with women but I feel I may be able to live with a guy. I mean, the sex may be strange but it isn't always about the sex.Congratulations, you're bisexual.
That isn't the point, however. The point you tried to state is being able to love another of the same gender and, as I told you, I think it might be possible.The point of asking that was to prove that homosexuality is not a choice. If you can NOT choose, what makes you think THEY can? If you CAN be romantically attracted to the member of your own sex, you're bisexual.
However, I don't it is black and white for every single person who is homosexual. Some want to be a homosexual and some can't control it. I can't be certain because not a reliable test has been shown to me on this yet. Again, if you can choose either one, then you are bisexual. If you can not, then you can not. If by "want" you mean that they want to have sex with people of the same gender, then heterosexuals "want" to be heterosexual. If by "want" you mean that some people who are heterosexual want to have sex with people of the same gender, then they're actually bisexual.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:42 am
XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:51 pm
Tiina Brown I thought it was Established, that if you clearly can choose, then you are Bisexual, if you cannot, you are either Hetero, or Homo? (Or possibly Asexual ...... ) On Topic: Most aren't really bigots, i see them more as either "too afraid of Hell (or the wrath of GOD) to question the Scriptures & those who preaches from them", or as downright misinformed ...... However, one could also see it like this: They are Bigots, but unaware of it, so it is not really willful.
In my mind, anyone who has the tools to get informed but doesn't is willfully ignorant.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:00 pm
brainnsoup Tiina Brown I thought it was Established, that if you clearly can choose, then you are Bisexual, if you cannot, you are either Hetero, or Homo? (Or possibly Asexual ...... ) On Topic: Most aren't really bigots, i see them more as either "too afraid of Hell (or the wrath of GOD) to question the Scriptures & those who preaches from them", or as downright misinformed ...... However, one could also see it like this: They are Bigots, but unaware of it, so it is not really willful.
In my mind, anyone who has the tools to get informed but doesn't is willfully ignorant.I have a friend who is ignorant of the definition of ignorant. He says it has a negative connotation, but that he doesn't care to know what it really means because of what society perceives it as. How's that for irony?
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:24 pm
XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:39 pm
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:48 pm
----No, I've always supported the legalization of LGBTI Marriage, I've also said that if the State won't give you a marriage get a "Spiritual marriage", many gay individuals are religious, but many aren't.
----If someone called me a bigot I'd just laugh, I don't have a problem with one person, I hate everyone equally. LOL xd
---- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vqo8oEC_YV4/SbkQp49RLjI/AAAAAAAABSs/bFp79o6IjuE/s400/Gay-Marriage-1960---Now.gif
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:56 pm
XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need)
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