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 Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:59 am
Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:10 am
Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:28 am
Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Thank you! Totally agree!
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:30 am
rmcdra Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism. The protestant denomination that I once attended believed that they did, just because it was taught that we as humans are so evil that we don't deserve God's love, I totally disagree with that. We are not evil until we make the choice to become that way. Humans do not inherit the sins of their fathers and they certainly are not born sinful.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:36 am
Shadows-shine rmcdra Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism. The protestant denomination that I once attended believed that they did, just because it was taught that we as humans are so evil that we don't deserve God's love, I totally disagree with that. We are not evil until we make the choice to become that way. Humans do not inherit the sins of their fathers and they certainly are not born sinful.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:34 am
Aakosir Shadows-shine rmcdra Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism. The protestant denomination that I once attended believed that they did, just because it was taught that we as humans are so evil that we don't deserve God's love, I totally disagree with that. We are not evil until we make the choice to become that way. Humans do not inherit the sins of their fathers and they certainly are not born sinful. That's the mystery there. I'll be the first to say I have no clue, but we are here now. I personally believe that we are both good and evil but at our core we have small piece of God within us. This concept isn't just within the Gnostics but also within the Quakers as well.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:07 pm
Aakosir Shadows-shine rmcdra Aakosir Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism. The protestant denomination that I once attended believed that they did, just because it was taught that we as humans are so evil that we don't deserve God's love, I totally disagree with that. We are not evil until we make the choice to become that way. Humans do not inherit the sins of their fathers and they certainly are not born sinful. That's the very same question I asked when I left that denomination and that also is why I no longer attend that church.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:16 pm
Shadows-shine Aakosir Shadows-shine rmcdra Aakosir How can you believe that? Sex is not a sin when you are wanting a child. Those babies were innocent. They never had a chance to do anything "evil". They were born. Being born is not a sin or evil. Yeah I'm going to back you up on this. Sex is not evil. Sex was created before the fall. Sex is not a consequence of the fall. What is a consequence of the fall is our choices in how we use it. Anyway original sin it's basically a state of being acknowledging that we are not with God and are separated from him. Infants don't go to hell according to Catholic doctrine since God is believed to be merciful. CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. I can't think of a denomination of Christianity existing now that does actually have in it's doctrine that infants go to hell without baptism. The protestant denomination that I once attended believed that they did, just because it was taught that we as humans are so evil that we don't deserve God's love, I totally disagree with that. We are not evil until we make the choice to become that way. Humans do not inherit the sins of their fathers and they certainly are not born sinful. That's the very same question I asked when I left that denomination and that also is why I no longer attend that church.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:57 am
Someoneiknow freelance lover I think Jesus was baptized for a reason. I think it helped affirm both his divinity as well as that the message John was preaching was in fact from God. I think it also kicked off his ministry quite nicely and helped establish his divinity to others ("This is my son and I am pleased" etc.) I think is was a necessary step in Jesus ministry, but I don't think it altered his divinity or connection to God, since there's evidence of him being divine prior to baptism (virgin birth, teaching in the temple, etc.)
Perhaps I should explain WHY I don't think it's necessary. I have a fundamental problem with the idea of a person who believes and accept God being damned to hell simply because they never came in contact with some water that was blessed by a clergy member in a particular ceremony. I don't think having that particular ceremony alters or validates a person's relationship with God. I think baptism is a good idea for people who are serious about being Christian, because not only does it act as an accountability device, but it also has a strong psychological impact that comes along with any ceremony, religious or otherwise. However, there are people who don't feel comfortable in organized religion or who are not accepted by their local congregations, and therefore are unable to be baptized.
Also, infant baptism always just... confuses me. The child hasn't accept Christ, they were brought there by their parents and were dunked in some water. I dunno, I'm not against it, I just feel adult baptism is better since it's their choice and not something forced upon them by their family.
I just cannot believe in baptism as being a requirement because the idea of people who had a strong relationship with God who were never baptized going to hell is contrary to my understand of a loving and accepting God. This is why the LDS do vicarious baptisms for the dead. Because it is a commandment of Christ.
Also, I'm in agreement about the sex thing. Sex is not evil or sinful, infants are not damned to hell if they're not baptized. That's just an absurd statement.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:03 am
Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding
I mean, really, it's just silly. Is the lesson do NOT populate the damn earth?
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:14 am
Captain_Shinzo Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding
I mean, really, it's just silly. Is the lesson do NOT populate the damn earth?
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:18 am
Lust is also still a blur along with this whole baptism. As long as someone creates a...partly understandable reason as to why a dip in a bird feeder is necessary.
Hrm...
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:55 pm
mennonites believe that what really matters is being sensitive and responsive to the movement of the Holy Spirit in your life.
when someone shows evidence of this (of they are 13 or older) they are baptized.
but the spiritual state comes first, and the baptism is only a recognition of it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:47 pm
Dandan Pampelmousse What the washing away of original sin means in Catholicism: You were born because your parents had sex.This is why it is important to baptize babies and why it is so tragic when an infant dies before it is baptized--those children are definitely in hell. I... have never been baptized. My grandparents raised my sister and I through our younger years, and they taught us all the really staunch catholic rules (they STILL have terrifying bloody jesuses everywhere and a candleglass with a picture of the Virgin Mother standing on a hill of dead babies looking down kinda going "awuh") XD But my mum was like "NO PEDESTAL BATH FOR YOU YOU'LL CATCH PNEUMONIA" or something. So I'm *definitely* going to hell. Free ticket to do whatever I want, really. /kidding Wait, she really has a Candle Glass of Mary standing on a hill of dead babies? (Who would paint that, seriously?) God is love, that it sick. Anyways, I have a family member who's fantical too. She was so Christian she couldn't hold a job because there was so much sin. Last I heard she disappeared to some southern state where she supposedly joined a convent. neutral I can't believe god would condemn a person to hell for not taking part in a human ritual. If feel like the Mennonites on that one. Plus when you think that God would condemn a mountain of babies for what they couldn't control, that seems horrible. I believe god would make an exception.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:14 pm
Captain_Shinzo Lust is also still a blur along with this whole baptism. As long as someone creates a...partly understandable reason as to why a dip in a bird feeder is necessary.
Hrm...
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