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 Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:55 pm
What sickens me is that no one seems to be realizing that the USA already made this same mistake. Multiple times, actually. If you can honestly look me in the eye and tell me that you believe that women and people of all skin colors should have equality, but not gay people...
YOU. IGNORANT. HYPOCRITS.
That is all.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:08 pm
^lol, duh. razz Everyone watch this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18yHUphbI1MThe question is: "How can people stick with such ignorant, stupid, and immoral views and still cling to them even when they know how wrong they are?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:57 pm
I think that two people should be able to join in union before the government no matter their gender.
That being said, why would anyone want to be recognized as married in the eyes of the government. The government seems to penalize those who are married. They take more taxes from us, and if for some reason we need help, we qualify for less help because we are married.
I know of a few couples who have divorced because they couldn't get the help that they needed for themselves or their children while they were legally married. They are still together, and most people would never know any different.
I myself think that marriage should be a strictly religious institution that the government should have no part of. After 9 years of marriage, I have learned that the government recognizing my marriage just means more hoops for us to jump through, and more paperwork for me to fill out when they want something.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:09 pm
I believe ALL people are created EQUAL, so I think same-sex marriage should be legal just like opposite-sex marriage.
Something different, but still related is something I've noticed during my life: The majority of blacks are against homosexuality. Why is that? I sure don't know since gay is what black was before the Civil Rights Movement occurred. A group that is ostracized, has to worry about basic safety, lacks certain rights... Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Really it is hypocritical for any black person to be homophobic.
Anyway, the reason why homophobia seems to occur in so many people in the world is not necessarily due to religion (though often times it is), but to ignorance that breeds fear that breeds hate.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:31 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia I think that two people should be able to join in union before the government no matter their gender. That being said, why would anyone want to be recognized as married in the eyes of the government. The government seems to penalize those who are married. They take more taxes from us, and if for some reason we need help, we qualify for less help because we are married. I know of a few couples who have divorced because they couldn't get the help that they needed for themselves or their children while they were legally married. They are still together, and most people would never know any different. I myself think that marriage should be a strictly religious institution that the government should have no part of. After 9 years of marriage, I have learned that the government recognizing my marriage just means more hoops for us to jump through, and more paperwork for me to fill out when they want something. I think I agree with this. I still think homosexuality is a sin, but I don't really have a problem with the government granting them a civil union. And I don't think what's going on with homosexuals is anything like what happened with the African Americans. The former is being denied any rights that the rest of us have, not even marriage. They're free to marry anyone of the opposite gender, just like the rest of us. ^^
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:53 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I think I agree with this. I still think homosexuality is a sin, but I don't really have a problem with the government granting them a civil union. And I don't think what's going on with homosexuals is anything like what happened with the African Americans. The former is being denied any rights that the rest of us have, not even marriage. They're free to marry anyone of the opposite gender, just like the rest of us. ^^ Do you believe marriage to be a right?
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:30 pm
rmcdra xxEternallyBluexx I think I agree with this. I still think homosexuality is a sin, but I don't really have a problem with the government granting them a civil union. And I don't think what's going on with homosexuals is anything like what happened with the African Americans. The former is being denied any rights that the rest of us have, not even marriage. They're free to marry anyone of the opposite gender, just like the rest of us. ^^ Do you believe marriage to be a right? I like the concept of rights, but I don't believe any of us can actually say we deserve them (I mean life's not fair, and everyone has some evil to them so no one can say they deserve anything), so no. If I did believe everyone had certain rights they absolutely deserved, I still wouldn't consider that one, or that we're being unfair because the same laws apply to everyone. I have no more right to marry a girl then a lesbian does, after all.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:49 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I like the concept of rights, but I don't believe any of us can actually say we deserve them (I mean life's not fair, and everyone has some evil to them so no one can say they deserve anything), so no. If I did believe everyone had certain rights they absolutely deserved, I still wouldn't consider that one, or that we're being unfair because the same laws apply to everyone. I have no more right to marry a girl then a lesbian does, after all. I feel like you're confusing rights with privileges here. Human rights are things like "no one should be tortured" and "everyone has the right to a nationality". Rights say you are a person, and you should be treated humanely and without discrimination or persecution. I deserve to be treated with humanity. I think you do as well.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:56 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I like the concept of rights, but I don't believe any of us can actually say we deserve them (I mean life's not fair, and everyone has some evil to them so no one can say they deserve anything), so no. While life is not fair we live in a system that is supposed to promote justice while staying humane and keeping unfairness to a minimum. If there are no rights acknowledged in a justice system then there is no humaneness in our justice system nor would there be a way to keep a justice system from degrading to vengeance. Quote: If I did believe everyone had certain rights they absolutely deserved, I still wouldn't consider that one, or that we're being unfair because the same laws apply to everyone. I have no more right to marry a girl then a lesbian does, after all. But why is it fair that a woman cannot marry a woman? Because you don't want to marry a woman?
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:30 am
garra_eyes If anyone has any information on the origin of the word "marriage" of non-religious examples of marriage in earlier history, I think it would make a great discussion point. In Ancient Egypt marriage wasn't a religious issue: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/bride.htmI'll stop de-railing the thread now.
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Eltanin Sadachbia I think that two people should be able to join in union before the government no matter their gender. That being said, why would anyone want to be recognized as married in the eyes of the government. The government seems to penalize those who are married. They take more taxes from us, and if for some reason we need help, we qualify for less help because we are married. I know of a few couples who have divorced because they couldn't get the help that they needed for themselves or their children while they were legally married. They are still together, and most people would never know any different. I myself think that marriage should be a strictly religious institution that the government should have no part of. After 9 years of marriage, I have learned that the government recognizing my marriage just means more hoops for us to jump through, and more paperwork for me to fill out when they want something. I think I agree with this. I still think homosexuality is a sin, but I don't really have a problem with the government granting them a civil union. And I don't think what's going on with homosexuals is anything like what happened with the African Americans. The former is being denied any rights that the rest of us have, not even marriage. They're free to marry anyone of the opposite gender, just like the rest of us. ^^
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:29 am
dimentia44 What sickens me is that no one seems to be realizing that the USA already made this same mistake. Multiple times, actually. If you can honestly look me in the eye and tell me that you believe that women and people of all skin colors should have equality, but not gay people... YOU. IGNORANT. HYPOCRITS.That is all. I like you. xd
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:10 am
Way back when, the Catholic Church allowed same-sex marriage, but they wrote as a contract between two people, that's all marriage has been brought down to, a contract between two people
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:22 pm
while i may think it's bulls**t as well, the government has been doing this for years, and really, just now, it's coming to light. and of course religion has played a role in all this, which is not 'a seperation of church and state' like is guranteed
history lesson: utah applied for statehood more than once, but was rejected because, states control marriage, and the government was grossed out with polygamy, and didn't want any state in the country to allow it. it wasn't allowed to become a state until the mormon church did away with polygamy (since they were the culprits of it).
not that i'm ok with polygamy coming back ever (and i think if there's a federal law legalizing gay marriage, polygamy will have to be legalized as well, because guys will be saying 'oh a guy can love a guy, but a guy can't love five women at once?'), and i would be happy if gay marriage was legalized, and actually would be ok if the federal level took over marriage in general, but people are scared of invoking god's wrath by letting marriage alter in any form other than 'a man and a woman in monogamy'.
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:34 pm
SchizoSpazz while i may think it's bulls**t as well, the government has been doing this for years, and really, just now, it's coming to light. and of course religion has played a role in all this, which is not 'a seperation of church and state' like is guranteed history lesson: utah applied for statehood more than once, but was rejected because, states control marriage, and the government was grossed out with polygamy, and didn't want any state in the country to allow it. it wasn't allowed to become a state until the mormon church did away with polygamy (since they were the culprits of it). not that i'm ok with polygamy coming back ever (and i think if there's a federal law legalizing gay marriage, polygamy will have to be legalized as well, because guys will be saying 'oh a guy can love a guy, but a guy can't love five women at once?'), and i would be happy if gay marriage was legalized, and actually would be ok if the federal level took over marriage in general, but people are scared of invoking god's wrath by letting marriage alter in any form other than 'a man and a woman in monogamy'. What's wrong with polygamy if all the individuals are of age and consent? And I don't think that most people are against alternative marriage styles out of fear, but misinformation. My grandma honestly believes that if gay marriage is allowed, then we'll also be able to marry dogs and inanimate objects. If I brought up polygamy rights to her I'm sure she'd have no concept of it being anything but the FLDS style and would say something like "do you want to not be able to choose who you marry and have to share him" blah blah blah. People in general are gullible, if you don't want them to fall for the opposing party's propaganda you have to advertise your information as much as they do and provide evidence that you're not the liars and manipulators.
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