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sakura-schan

PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:52 pm


What are gmo's? I know about genetically modified crops but I'm not sure if they are the same thing. Even if you don't like to grow your own things or if you don't have time to do it, you can still eat healthy. Shopping at farmer markets helps and is cheaper and also, going to latino markets are a great way to stay healthy too. I live in California and there are a lot of latino markets where for potatoes its like 30 cents a pound.
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:30 pm


Ellavemia
The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.


I can sympathize, but I do like growing what I can of my own food and I can't. I'm a live-in childcare provider in a house that the family rents. Gardening is way outside my authority. There are countless reasons why a person doesn't have that option. Urban areas, rentals, disability, etc. And that's all it takes to have to spend an arm and a leg to eat natural foods.

Although I do think almost everyone would be able to and should have a window pot for herbs, the quantity that allows is seasoning not substantial. It doesn't do much to alleviate food costs.

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sakura-schan

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:10 pm


That's true, unless you have a lot of space, then growing things to eat is going to be difficult, unless you are capable of doing hydroponics. We have a balcony in my apartment and my dad tries to grow potatoes and tomatoes but that still isn't enough, although it is very tasty.
PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:31 pm


You've gotta search for the sales in multiple stores these days just to get decent prices on anything. rolleyes


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:21 pm


Czidnoma
Ellavemia
The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.


I can sympathize, but I do like growing what I can of my own food and I can't. I'm a live-in childcare provider in a house that the family rents. Gardening is way outside my authority. There are countless reasons why a person doesn't have that option. Urban areas, rentals, disability, etc. And that's all it takes to have to spend an arm and a leg to eat natural foods.

Although I do think almost everyone would be able to and should have a window pot for herbs, the quantity that allows is seasoning not substantial. It doesn't do much to alleviate food costs.

Amen. A more economic way of saying this is that you're comparing the cost of time, energy and space with the cost of buying foods directly with money. Both of them have a value to them that may have different weights depending on the individual. Someone with poor physical ability will attach a much greater cost (and risk) to gardening than someone more able, for example.

I personally don't have that option because my room is rather dark and the only balcony we have connects to my roommate's room. She occasionally grows her own vegetables but doesn't have a green thumb. It'd be a problem for me to a proper garden of mine without infringing on her privacy regularly.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:45 pm


I agree, in some places health food is a luxury item. Yes, some people can grow their own food, but this has many limitations as Ellavemia and NomNomNominal pointed out. Another thing that people often forget is location. Northern communities have an exceptionally hard time getting healthy food and, unless subsidized, farming or small scale gardening is not even an option. Really what we need in the North is gardening and community farms to be financially encouraged by the government where possible.

An example of this would be Wabowden, Manitoba (Canada). If you get the chance to see the documentary, "...And This Is My Garden" you will see a fantastic success story. Due to isolation and lack of subsidies or any financial incentives, many communities in the north rarely eat fresh fruit and vegetables. In places like Wabowden, they have become dependant on processed and prepackaged food which typically is unhealthy. This has been linked to health problems such as heart disease, obesity, and diabetes, plaguing many isolated northern communities. If people in Wabowden want vegetables they had to be there right when the truck arrived from the south and they had to be willing to pay higher prices (not always an easy thing to budget if they have very little money). Now, thanks to the efforts of a school teacher, children are gardening as part of a science and health curriculum. They set up a greenhouse and garden at the school and small garden boxes at the children's homes. They then teach the children, and by proxy the parents, how to grow their own food. This has been largely successful but very few communities have someone who can dedicate themselves to get projects such as these off the ground. As well, the amount of food planted does not feed a family over the year.

And before you say "Why live there if this is such a problem?", these people have been living there for generations. Back in the day they used to be able to live off the land and were nomadic so they could move to where food was plentiful. Governments were the ones who told them they could no longer do that and had to stay put. Then they ship cheap processed, largely unhealthy, food up to them and have the gall to wonder why the people are so unhealthy? There also were farmlands originally in Wabowden, but without a strong economy the community was unable to support them when the government pulled the funding.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:48 pm


we need to encourage more local farmers markets to entice people who have the space to do so for there own gain
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:59 pm


Hoshioni
we need to encourage more local farmers markets to entice people who have the space to do so for there own gain


I love farmers markets! In three more days our local one opens up (YAY! blaugh ) But in lieu of a farmers markets many times if you contact local farmers they will sell to you direct. There are quite a few who do not have the time to set up at farmers markets. I get my meat from a fantastic little farm, if you order some meat they'll meet you in the city on one of their designated delivery days. You get to save some money as well as support the producer by cutting out that greedy middleman.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:47 pm


I was looking for "...And This Is My Garden" on Netflix but it's not available yet because the film is new. Here's the website and you can watch the preview on YouTube.

I definitely know what it's like to live in a less than ideal place and be sort of stuck here. I've traveled a lot in my life but I've never had the money to leave the area for good. If you're very poor or very near and dear to your culture it's not as simple as just packing up and heading somewhere better.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:48 pm


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we need to encourage more local farmers markets to entice people who have the space to do so for there own gain


I love farmers markets! In three more days our local one opens up (YAY! blaugh ) But in lieu of a farmers markets many times if you contact local farmers they will sell to you direct. There are quite a few who do not have the time to set up at farmers markets. I get my meat from a fantastic little farm, if you order some meat they'll meet you in the city on one of their designated delivery days. You get to save some money as well as support the producer by cutting out that greedy middleman.


i know most people dont know they exist

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:57 pm


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Ellavemia
The "cost of healthy eating" argument is a pet peeve of mine. I hear it all the time from people who have never attempted to grow anything for themselves. It seems like a good excuse to keep eating crap and staying unhealthy. The fact is, if you have so much as a balcony you can grow plenty of fresh vegetables such as potatoes and tomatoes in vertical boxes and you can grow herbs in the kitchen window. Once you've grown your own food you won't ever want to pay a grocery store for the same thing again.


I can sympathize, but I do like growing what I can of my own food and I can't. I'm a live-in childcare provider in a house that the family rents. Gardening is way outside my authority. There are countless reasons why a person doesn't have that option. Urban areas, rentals, disability, etc. And that's all it takes to have to spend an arm and a leg to eat natural foods.

Although I do think almost everyone would be able to and should have a window pot for herbs, the quantity that allows is seasoning not substantial. It doesn't do much to alleviate food costs.


A lot of cities are making community gardens now and for a small rental fee you get a plot that you can use for the growing season. If yours isn't then maybe it's worth bringing up at a town council meeting. As more people become aware of a need for such things more towns and cities will make them commonplace.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:00 pm


then lets do that...^^

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sakura-schan

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:39 pm


I do not have much information on the Canada issue but I do love farmer's markets. Their food always seems much fresher then the food at a local supermarket.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:49 am


sakura-schan
I do not have much information on the Canada issue but I do love farmer's markets. Their food always seems much fresher then the food at a local supermarket.


oh tell me about it.....Ugh

im bout to take pictures of there crappy produce

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:24 pm


Unhealthy things are subsidized by the government, healthy and natural things are not. Messed up world. talk2hand
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