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 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:00 am
Chieftain Twilight but the homosexuals are not stoned for homosexuality. in the book of Genesis for example, the townsfolk want to anally rape a man who Abraham decides to protect, and he offers his virgin daughters in compensation. the townsmen refuse the offer, continuing to press for the rights to gang rape the man Abraham wants to protect from them. God destroys the town and all those townspeople, not because the men were gay, but rather because they were sexually assaulting someone. Also, isn't that the story of Lot and his daughters, not Abraham?
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:14 am
Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense...
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:19 am
Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:23 am
sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:34 am
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h. im not the1 who rote the bible or the quaran or the torah or any othr religious book out there so u cant blame me even tho i dont agree w/ homosexuality or bi or watevs ur into. so stop hatin its jst an opinion jst like u say urs this is mine. and its not my fault u hav gender issues. and god didnt make us 2 b gay and les and bi and homo thts y a women can only hav children w/ men not othr women
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:35 am
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h. im not the1 who rote the bible or the quaran or the torah or any othr religious book out there so u cant blame me even tho i dont agree w/ homosexuality or bi or watevs ur into. so stop hatin its jst an opinion jst like u say urs this is mine. and its not my fault u hav gender issues. and god didnt make us 2 b gay and les and bi and homo thts y a women can only hav children w/ men not othr women. so wen god made the frst 2 humans on earth he made a man and a women so thy culd be together not 2 men or 2 woman to be together. keep tht in mind...
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:45 am
sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h. im not the1 who rote the bible or the quaran or the torah or any othr religious book out there so u cant blame me even tho i dont agree w/ homosexuality or bi or watevs ur into. so stop hatin its jst an opinion jst like u say urs this is mine. and its not my fault u hav gender issues. and god didnt make us 2 b gay and les and bi and homo thts y a women can only hav children w/ men not othr women. so wen god made the frst 2 humans on earth he made a man and a women so thy culd be together not 2 men or 2 woman to be together. keep tht in mind... you said you agree with the verse that says gays should be stoned to death. that's not JUST an opinion; that's outright murderous hatred and I WON'T be chill about it. and I don't have "gender issues." and I WILL hate you, because I hate anyone who is as hateful as you. and their are genetic biological reasons why women can' have babies with eachother, which in fact are rules of nature that are capable of being broken. I'm also not in ANY way convinced that God created man and woman directly and litterally. of course, I don't believe God to be some personal deity, anyway... I think the whole Universe is a God, and that furthermore the Creator is/was the Void from which all the Multiverse sprang. an Entropy which is completely undefinable, the source of all metaphysical possiblity.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:43 am
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 exactly no religion says tht u can live w/ sum1 and hav kids w/ thm even tho thts like a normal thing nowadays it disgusts me! I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h. im not sayin tht u hav 2 be married govt wise. im sayin tht u hav 2 be legally married in a halal way as in the sheik comes and u get married which yes thy do giv a legal doc also. well thts the way allah wants us 2 get marrid so thts how we do it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:48 am
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia I don't think it is so bad... I think marriage should be returned to the realm of personal, as it used to be. I don't think the government should have their noses so far into an individual family's structure. Especially with the differences in religion or the absence thereof. The concept of marriage as we have it now is still a relatively new concept. It used to be that the parents would arrange marriage between their children and the married couple had to deal with it. There was no major ceremony unless you were a noble. The facilitation of the marriage would be signified by sending the bride to the house of the groom with her dowry, and some cultures would require the groom and his family provide a gift to the father of the bride. Now it is a marriage if the government acknowledges it. Why would it matter if the government says we are married? I think a couple people who have spent many years together and plan on staying together is just as married as two people who sign a government sanctioned license... In fact probably more so, since a government sanctioned license allows the parties to split things 50/50 in the event that it doesn't work out... Unmarried people have to figure it out for themselves for the most part. It's easier to back out of the government sanctioned marriage than it is to try and part ways when you aren't recognized as married by the government ... xp but if u live together and like a married couple u mite as well get married instead of goin 2 hell 4 tht wen u can do it married it jst doesnt make sense... she's only saying that being married isn't the perview of government. even if it's not legally recognized it should still be considered a marriage to the persons who are in fact married, and to your God oversees it, right? if it's a Holy Matrimony, why would Allah care whether you have a paper from your judge or priest to certify it? you won't g to Hell just because your marriage isn't documented. sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight .______. good gods, sheshe, you are absolutely awful! I completely disagree with your views, you are so hateful! im srry 2 hear tht. how am i awful and hateful? im no such thing! and wat exactly do u disagree with? im sure i can make u c my view. try me. no... you won't make me see your view. we don't all have to agree to the same things, and besides which... I actually am sexually attracted to both genders. so, for you to be so hash and judgemental about homosexuality or men "laying with another man as they would a woman", clming it to be wrong and worthy of death or hell or execution by stones.... THAT is ******** DISGUSTING of you! evil and it will NEVER be my view! go ahead, try to stone me to death if you ever see me. -.- if I ever saw someone trying to kill another person because of their sexuality (such as in certain african nations) I'd pull out a gun and blast'em on the spot. ******** b***h. im not the1 who rote the bible or the quaran or the torah or any othr religious book out there so u cant blame me even tho i dont agree w/ homosexuality or bi or watevs ur into. so stop hatin its jst an opinion jst like u say urs this is mine. and its not my fault u hav gender issues. and god didnt make us 2 b gay and les and bi and homo thts y a women can only hav children w/ men not othr women. so wen god made the frst 2 humans on earth he made a man and a women so thy culd be together not 2 men or 2 woman to be together. keep tht in mind... you said you agree with the verse that says gays should be stoned to death. that's not JUST an opinion; that's outright murderous hatred and I WON'T be chill about it. and I don't have "gender issues." and I WILL hate you, because I hate anyone who is as hateful as you. and their are genetic biological reasons why women can' have babies with eachother, which in fact are rules of nature that are capable of being broken. I'm also not in ANY way convinced that God created man and woman directly and litterally. of course, I don't believe God to be some personal deity, anyway... I think the whole Universe is a God, and that furthermore the Creator is/was the Void from which all the Multiverse sprang. an Entropy which is completely undefinable, the source of all metaphysical possiblity. evry1 is entitled 2 their own opinion. and if u dont believe tht theirs is a god thn maybe u shuld look up the story of the dead sea
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:18 am
sheshe507 evry1 is entitled 2 their own opinion. and if u dont believe tht theirs is a god thn maybe u shuld look up the story of the dead sea Im sad for you. The story of the Dead Sea, ... i assume you refer to Sodom and Gomorrah? They were punished because they ravaged anyone coming there, not because they had "men sleeping with men, as man sleeps with woman". As far as the "man sleeping with man, as man sleeps with woman" should be killed is concerned, i see it as one of those bad laws spoken of by Ezekiel, that God gave to his chosen people, when they yet again failed to follow the ten commandments. Also, haven't you thought of why homosexuals exist? Do you think it is a choice they have? Mind you, there is no choice. As i see it, the homosexuals, and the bisexuals, and other similar, are as they are, because God wants them to be that way. You might discard what i say as nonsense, especially when i say that i'm possibly wierder than any homosexual, but i will still tell you this: I do not hate you, and i do see it your way. However, there are so many other ways to see things, and your way of seeing things is not even one of a hundred. I see things those other ways as well, so that i may see the similarities, as well as the differences, and why the differences exist. Therefor, i see it your way, but i also see, that the way you see it ... is not that "Big Truth" that you think it is. Right now, i only pity you, and the others who taught you those ways. There is not much else to do.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:18 am
Tiina Brown sheshe507 evry1 is entitled 2 their own opinion. and if u dont believe tht theirs is a god thn maybe u shuld look up the story of the dead sea Im sad for you. The story of the Dead Sea, ... i assume you refer to Sodom and Gomorrah? They were punished because they ravaged anyone coming there, not because they had "men sleeping with men, as man sleeps with woman". As far as the "man sleeping with man, as man sleeps with woman" should be killed is concerned, i see it as one of those bad laws spoken of by Ezekiel, that God gave to his chosen people, when they yet again failed to follow the ten commandments. Also, haven't you thought of why homosexuals exist? Do you think it is a choice they have? Mind you, there is no choice. As i see it, the homosexuals, and the bisexuals, and other similar, are as they are, because God wants them to be that way. You might discard what i say as nonsense, especially when i say that i'm possibly wierder than any homosexual, but i will still tell you this: I do not hate you, and i do see it your way. However, there are so many other ways to see things, and your way of seeing things is not even one of a hundred. I see things those other ways as well, so that i may see the similarities, as well as the differences, and why the differences exist. Therefor, i see it your way, but i also see, that the way you see it ... is not that "Big Truth" that you think it is. Right now, i only pity you, and the others who taught you those ways. There is not much else to do. YOU pitty Me????????? I pitty u for the way u think...... I really dont think god chose that kind of way of life for any one....YOU and any other person choose your way of life what kinda of BS is that for an excuse I REALLY pitty U and hope god forgives you for blaming god.... ?????..... confused IF you can give me any PROOF in ANY holy book saying that gays, fags.. Ect... go to heaven then ill leave this issue alone ( this is more then just an issue) i really dont even know what to call it. and give me a verse from any HOLY BOOK. And the dead sea was called "the dead sea" from people doing so much WRONG.AND men being with men.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:51 am
sheshe507 YOU pitty Me????????? I pitty u for the way u think...... I really dont think god chose that kind of way of life for any one....YOU and any other person choose your way of life what kinda of BS is that for an excuse I REALLY pitty U and hope god forgives you for blaming god.... ?????..... confused IF you can give me any PROOF in ANY holy book saying that gays, fags.. Ect... go to heaven then ill leave this issue alone ( this is more then just an issue) i really dont even know what to call it. and give me a verse from any HOLY BOOK. And the dead sea was called "the dead sea" from people doing so much WRONG.AND men being with men. Yes, i pity you, because you have been tought that only one thing is right, and that it is wrong to question it. You have been tought, that to question it, you question God, and that to question God leads to damnation. And yet, you have also been taught that God isn't cruel, but loving. God handle to be questioned very well. I do blame God, but not for who, or what i am. I, and homosexuals and other that you would obviously damn without a seconds notice despite that we have done nothing wrong, nothing hurtful, we are here, to show people like you, that your way of thinking is not loving. We are, in that way, martyrs in our own right, but we are to live for the message to get through, not to die. I pity you, and wish for God to educate you, so that i won't have to. Had i not been as i am, i would easily have been like you, condemning to the left and right, without a second's thought of what i was condemning. Because of that, i may even thank God for being who, and what, i am. As for the books, read them again. Perhaps with clearer eyes this time, thinking about what the world may have been at that time, when they were written. And then comparing to what humanity knows today. As for Heaven, God has the final say, no matter what Priests, the Pope, Imams or Rabbi say on this world.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:42 am
Tiina Brown sheshe507 YOU pitty Me????????? I pitty u for the way u think...... I really dont think god chose that kind of way of life for any one....YOU and any other person choose your way of life what kinda of BS is that for an excuse I REALLY pitty U and hope god forgives you for blaming god.... ?????..... confused IF you can give me any PROOF in ANY holy book saying that gays, fags.. Ect... go to heaven then ill leave this issue alone ( this is more then just an issue) i really dont even know what to call it. and give me a verse from any HOLY BOOK. And the dead sea was called "the dead sea" from people doing so much WRONG.AND men being with men. Yes, i pity you, because you have been tought that only one thing is right, and that it is wrong to question it. You have been tought, that to question it, you question God, and that to question God leads to damnation. And yet, you have also been taught that God isn't cruel, but loving. God handle to be questioned very well. I do blame God, but not for who, or what i am. I, and homosexuals and other that you would obviously damn without a seconds notice despite that we have done nothing wrong, nothing hurtful, we are here, to show people like you, that your way of thinking is not loving. We are, in that way, martyrs in our own right, but we are to live for the message to get through, not to die. I pity you, and wish for God to educate you, so that i won't have to. Had i not been as i am, i would easily have been like you, condemning to the left and right, without a second's thought of what i was condemning. Because of that, i may even thank God for being who, and what, i am. As for the books, read them again. Perhaps with clearer eyes this time, thinking about what the world may have been at that time, when they were written. And then comparing to what humanity knows today. As for Heaven, God has the final say, no matter what Priests, the Pope, Imams or Rabbi say on this world. ii rlly dont care wat any priests or rabbis hav 2 say. show me a verse frm any HOLY BOOK saying it is ok 2 be gay and les and bi. thts all im askin 4. i dont blame u 4 being like this maybe wen u were little sum1 touched u or raped u so thts y u turned out like this. i dont no and i dont care. even on the news u hear of PRIESTS touching little boys. u think thts RIGHT?? ur so f****ing nasty! look up all the diseases u culd get frm being homos and bis and gays. but i rly cant blame ppl like cuz its not ur fault ur this way. i interviewed sum1 who is like but tht was jst 1 person. not evry1 has the same story. i no evry1 has theirs reasons 4 being the way they r. but i rlly dont wanna no urs. even tho its not ur fault its the person who taught u 2 be this ways fault. god didnt make 2 adams or 2 eves he made 1 of each a symbol tht men shuld be w/ women and women shuld b w/ men. i feel srry 4 all ppl like u cuz its rlly not ur fault. may god hlp u all.... but 4 now u rllly need hlp! go c a shrink 4 gods sake! god made tht spot 4 1 thing 2 go in and 1 thing come out!
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:23 am
@ sheshe
When I was a teenager, I "knew" more than I do now... Which I guess is how it is supposed to be, as it normally is a sign that a person is learning how to cope with the responsibility of making their own decisions, and sticking to those decisions... and at that age, it is by design that we are following the way we are brought up.
It wasn't until I graduated and stepped into the real world that I started having to wrestle with the "facts" that I grew up learning, and that maybe they weren't as factual as I had so vehemently believed. It was a major wake-up call to me, and also something that I see as by design... I think the first real questioning we take upon ourselves is kinda like a mental version of our adult rite-of-passage... When we grow up enough to realize that the adults in our life are just human, too, no more and no less than we ourselves are.
The thing is, God is God... If we don't question Him or about Him (Her is some instances) we aren't really seeking the truth, we are just taking what we have heard for granted...
We are meant to question God, that's how we were created. We were given free-will, because we were meant to make our own decisions, it gives them meaning. When free-will is thrown out the window though, we just blindly believe everything that we are told...
When we try to find the answers for ourselves, we are giving meaning to faith, because we cultivate something more substantial than blindness... We learn how to see... and then lead others who want help... but blind people who have no direction are not very well fit to lead other blind people...
Yes, religious texts are very condemning of certain practices and behaviors... Yet there are many things we all tend to ignore. We nit-pick the things that we want to draw attention to... I think pretty much every religious system that has laws has been abused this way... So picking on people who choose a certain sexual lifestyle, but forgetting about people who pork when they have 'clean' meat is pretty much a big bunch of shenanigans...Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Qur'an have eating restrictions as well...
Do you condemn all of the USA for eating cheeseburgers? How about all of Asia for eating shrimp and pork? Do you condemn all of a certain group of people for their eating lifestyle? If the answer is no, then you have no solid foundation for condemning an entire group of people for their sexual lifestyle... The same law that was written against homosexuality also included the laws about what is alright to eat... You can't pick and choose laws to the exclusion of others...
I kinda find it ironic that when I was a teenager, we were made to memorize entire chunks of scripture so that we could "be better witnesses to the unbelievers"... I always wondered what good that would do, because the people that we were supposed to go and talk to DIDN'T BELIEVE in the Bible, so what would those words mean to them...
The point is driven home in this thread, where, as a Christian, anything you quote from the Qur'an means minimal to me on a spiritual level, although I do respect it. You could show me verses all day, and I would just nod my head politely and hope you finish soon... It isn't the scriptures of any religion that holds meaning for non-believers... It's the actions of the people who believe and follow those texts that make a statement to non-believers...
Hostile condemnation on those who don't necessarily line up with the way your texts say a person HAS to be doesn't really help people now does it?
God is capable of doing what He has reserved for Himself to do... He is the One Who will judge us in the end, not you, me, or anyone else, so your opinions about homosexuality, "The Right Way To Think", and your judgments on who makes it to Heaven and who goes to Hell really only are worth something to yourself...
At the same time, if this is how you are taught, for now, you need to listen. One day you will be put in a place where you will have to question the set of beliefs you hold as concrete right now... There is flaws that are with you now, but one day, when God puts you to your test, your faith will be purified as gold with-in a fire. You will take with you what you are meant to keep from your beliefs that you hold now. Hopefully, the ones that do you no spiritual good will be left from you so that your faith will be pure... Until then, it may be better to learn to be understanding of people, even if you cannot agree with them.
I believe that Allah is a very loving God, as I know that the laws that were laid down in the Qur'an seem laid out in such a way as to be nurturing, even more so than the Old Testament of the Bible... From what little I know of it, there are several things laid out that are considered wrong, but the Qur'an does not give those who follow it the liberty to condemn those who are wrong to Hell.
I do admire how steadfast you are in your faith, and I believe one day you will bless many people because of that steadfastness... but anger and condemnation is not something that God wants us to walk in. Please take time to reconsider tolerance for those who do not believe as you do, it does not mean you have to accept their lifestyle as 'right', but maybe one day you might realize there are more important things on God's agenda than peeping in bedrooms to see who sleeps with who.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:32 am
sheshe507 ii rlly dont care wat any priests or rabbis hav 2 say. show me a verse frm any HOLY BOOK saying it is ok 2 be gay and les and bi. thts all im askin 4. i dont blame u 4 being like this maybe wen u were little sum1 touched u or raped u so thts y u turned out like this. i dont no and i dont care. even on the news u hear of PRIESTS touching little boys. u think thts RIGHT?? ur so f****ing nasty! look up all the diseases u culd get frm being homos and bis and gays. but i rly cant blame ppl like cuz its not ur fault ur this way. i interviewed sum1 who is like but tht was jst 1 person. not evry1 has the same story. i no evry1 has theirs reasons 4 being the way they r. but i rlly dont wanna no urs. even tho its not ur fault its the person who taught u 2 be this ways fault. god didnt make 2 adams or 2 eves he made 1 of each a symbol tht men shuld be w/ women and women shuld b w/ men. i feel srry 4 all ppl like u cuz its rlly not ur fault. may god hlp u all.... but 4 now u rllly need hlp! go c a shrink 4 gods sake! god made tht spot 4 1 thing 2 go in and 1 thing come out! Ah, you claim to care what Imams say, then. No surpise there. Some only care what Rabbis say, and some only care for what Priests say. You should know, that there is no such verse, but you assume that the verses that condemns them are right, just because they are "Holy" books. I say this: Those verses are Wrong. But, you don't belive me, at least not yet, if ever at all, because i am biased, so of course i would say something such. Mind you, i haven't been "Touched" or Raped as you think i have. I have not that "excuse", and it clearly do not explain my oddities. And it is really not a choice of mine. Oh, and you make another wrong that is far too common, you compare homosexuality to ***** is between two adults, that shares that ... interest(in lack of better word). The sexually transferred diseases go as easy between man and woman, as they go between man and man. None has "taught" me to be this way, except perhaps God. I have always searched for the Truth, and when i became religous, i asked God for knowledge, and possibly matching Wisdom, because i wanted to understand why there were so many religions, why were they all claiming the Truth, when it was not possible that they all were? God did show me ... that is my impression. As for me needing help? I see God as my judge, and you .... i still pity you, because there is no point in hating. There is nothing gained by hating. There is nothing gained by not understanding. What is the CORE of your religion? Mine is to understand, and to care. One might call it, to Love.
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