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 Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:42 pm
Absence of Proof of you religion = Proof that religion doesn't exist.
sucks for you.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:52 pm
~Ichigo_Pie~ In order for a religion to be classified as a religion, it must have followers. More than one and more than one small group. otherwise it is a cult, which is fine if he is in a cult. However, he needs to have the balls to say, "Hey, I made my own cult and I follow these beliefs." He has yet to explain to us, since this is a secret "religion" that no one can talk about to outsiders, how he found out about said "religion". He also has yet to explain why he keeps ranting about some aspect as to what his "religion" believes in just about every post he makes, yet he isn't supposed to be talking about it. Oh, but then when we reply to his "religious" beliefs, he says, " whee Oh YEAH! I can't tell you about it." He contradicts himself, he argues like a child, he likes the attention we give him. He gets pissed off when Alaois compares his religion to Scientology (which can at least be backed up to prove that it is a real set of beliefs common among many many people). He rebuttals our arguments with completely off the wall remarks that have nothing to do whatsoever with the comments we made. He wishes death on people for disbelieving in something he claims is real, yet fails to prove to us as being real. His reading comprehension sucks. He can't understand what we're asking of him, when we've said it so plainly even a 4 year old could understand and comply. Everything he does only serves to further prove that he is lying and just wanting attention. And really, he serves as a mockery to all REAL Religions everywhere. There are almost 1 billion followers of ym religion, though there are only 156 human folllowers I already told you that i can talk about anything else except locations, proper names and so forth, things that could actually endanger real people Quote an exemple of me contradicting myslef and ill either clarify or tell you why im not How am i arguing like a child? imI really dont see how i am, but then again i see that you dont share that view And i never got pissed off when he comapred me to scientology, you misread something then if you thought i was pissed becuase of that, why in the world would i be Im not wishing you detah ebcuase you wont believe me, im wishing death upon you becuase of youre comments and rude remarks, that and you would be stoned to death if you said those same things walking through Aknavarie (our religion teaches other wise but NO ONE insults the Mother and her children like that without results)so you can probably understand my anger Oh and i make "off the wall remarks" becuase to me they have everything to do with those comments or im adressing some other part of the post or a previous one And do you not understand that the second empress to take the Nevarien throne made that order not me, if i could id be sending you link after link or book after book ................ if they existed anymore, anyway all of our things are written in anyone of our five diffrent languages (the first is a language that noly the imperial fmaily and a few other know the second is the llangauge ........... you wont believe me the third is the language of prayers and divine the fourth is the national language of the Rose Nation and the fith is common imperial which all of the refugee races understand) Actually i read to fast and type to fast, so no my reading comprhension is fine, or i see something else when im reading ti, When people read things they dont always come up with the same conclusions Perssoanly i think you two are making a mockery of religions becuase youre lowering yourself to debasing one that has enough problems as it is Edit : Actually The Mother is the main godess of my religion
the current empress mother was killed last year in august, she had already given birth to ehr only female child and so she was immediatly the heir, she is now one year old becuase august has come and gone
And its not the imperial way to inflict harm on others without due cause
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:28 pm
One definition of religion: "a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny," found by google search.
One definition of cult: "followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader," again, found by a google search.
As I see it... it sounds as though his religion could be closer related to a cult. Though I am now confused as to how you can have 1 billion followers and only 156 of those are humans. Usually, when speaking about followers, people speak about them as human beings, not 'fictional creatures' or animals or plants or anything that lacks the ability to comprehend and form sentences...
To defend myself, I am not insulting anyone, I'm just trying to figure out the whole idea of how you think your religion, is in fact a religion. It is intriguing to hear about something new... and it sounds like a relatively new religion or cult if the Mother had just died...
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:04 pm
That definition fits perfectly, though i would not say control, maybe guide or use (we tend to imagine our godess and godess as chess players and we are the pieces, so we serve a greater purpose)
unless you want me to explain a complicated history that you probably wont believe then dont bother with the 1 billion thing
The way you put it there is rather rude but yes the human follwoers of my religion i geuss could be called a cult, since we do follwo the Empress, though not becuase of charisma but becuase she is the divine leader of our religion, we do live outside of conventional society and i dont really think any of those wrods really fit my religion, but mabye not
Actually this religion is older then the human race but it only appeared among humans around the time that rome fell, honestly i dont rmeber if i read anywhere why the conversion attempts failed before that
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:42 pm
Shimmering Cupcake One definition of religion: "a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny," found by google search.
One definition of cult: "followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader," again, found by a google search.
As I see it... it sounds as though his religion could be closer related to a cult. Though I am now confused as to how you can have 1 billion followers and only 156 of those are humans. Usually, when speaking about followers, people speak about them as human beings, not 'fictional creatures' or animals or plants or anything that lacks the ability to comprehend and form sentences...
To defend myself, I am not insulting anyone, I'm just trying to figure out the whole idea of how you think your religion, is in fact a religion. It is intriguing to hear about something new... and it sounds like a relatively new religion or cult if the Mother had just died...
If your confused as to why the religion could have over 1 billion followers and only 156 human followers (ya know, cuz im sure he knows every single one personally to gauge the exact number despite it being secret) then you may be just as confused to hear that he also says he is both 13 and over 3000 years old. Then again, he also briefly spoke of seemingly himself in 3rd person, so is this some other soul that's over 3000 perhaps?
@Temporary: ok, here is a quote of you contradicting yourself-
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX That definition fits perfectly XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX and i dont really think any of those wrods really fit my religion, but mabye not
And by the way:
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Actually i read to fast and type to fast, so no my reading comprhension is fine, or i see something else when im reading ti, When people read things they dont always come up with the same conclusions
1. No. That means your reading comprehension is NOT fine. IF you read slower than perhaps your reading comprehension would be, but the very fact that you do not, and blame it solely on that, your reading comprehension is not fine. Your reading too fast to comprehend- and called me redundant the last time I said it after you to emphasize- and therefore, your reading too fast to have good reading comprehension of the presented material.
2. The second part is called "perception" things can be perceived differently yes, but there's a limit. If someone mumbled "apple"- everyone around them heard the same thing, but may have instead processed "a*****e" due to the sound being distorted by the mumbling, even though the person intended to say apple. However, when things are put clear and straightforward, the lack of understanding should decrease. Misunderstandings in such cases may still arise, but every time? EVERY TIME? Bringing it again back to- lack of comprehension.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:42 pm
~Ichigo_Pie~ Yes, your empress is going to make me suffer when I haven't believed in her mother ever and never suffered. After all, her mother had to have only been killed less than a year ago, since she had to be alive to bear this child. I have yet to suffer and I never will suffer because your religion is fake. actually if I remember correctly, Illusion said the empress's mother died two years ago in a previous post...yet the empress is only a year old .... explain that Illusion. EDIT: Found the quote XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Her mother was killed two years ago, since she can only claim the throne at age eighteen, there is a temporary ruler taking her place until she is ready >.> and she is 41 stare
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:00 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Actually this religion is older then the human race but it only appeared among humans around the time that rome fell, honestly i dont rmeber if i read anywhere why the conversion attempts failed before that
But I'm glad you're realizing that your 'religion' can be closer considered to a cult. You're making progress in understanding definitions of things! 8D
@OMG:: Yeah, that is quite confusing to me.....
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:41 pm
Shimmering Cupcake XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Actually this religion is older then the human race but it only appeared among humans around the time that rome fell, honestly i dont rmeber if i read anywhere why the conversion attempts failed before that
But I'm glad you're realizing that your 'religion' can be closer considered to a cult. You're making progress in understanding definitions of things! 8D
@OMG:: Yeah, that is quite confusing to me.....Unsurprising... Here is the quote where he said that as well: XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX actually youre right no human can live thta long, im only 13 but im also OVER 3000, hes not quiet clear on exactly what year in that 3000 year time range he was born in.
See? Sudden 3rd person.. And he also mentioned something about "soulbinding" later...
I'm also guessing, though I don't know, maybe its one of the "secrets" but I bet the rest of the billion are inhuman, not even animals. Spirits, demons, gods, who knows, more of the supernatural type I suppose, or so it sounds like.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:21 pm
Have you ever seen my mention the Refugee races? They are anything but human, but they are creatures of flesh and blood, in fact most of youre mythical races are really morphed versions of those races
Actually that 2 year thing was a typo so I'm sorry for the confusion'
soul binding is actually the process of binding a soul waiting for reincarnation to a living persons soul, this can save there lives, since its only preformed if someone is about to die
so im not talking in third person, im refering to my binded
Actually i said the human portion of my religion could be considered a cult, the thousands and thousands of practitioners in the Rose nation and other nations in the Cenrelon Confederation actually fit the definition of a religion if you want to separate them
i said the definition fit, but i said the words don’t do it any justice
Actually you guys are misreading my posts , its rather annoying when I answer you’re questions but you insist on saying that i did not answer them correctly
Actually I was surprised to when i started to read these to, for some reason when i read topics on theology I tend to speed up, when normally i tend to go slower when i type and read the posts or PMS and the same goes for reading and writing, i go allot slower then i do when i respond to these posts
if i actually took the time to slow down and go over my posts and yours, id be able to answer you’re exact questions or reply to you’re comments with a correct answer or counter argument
so I apologize to the fullest extent because in all honesty I should be giving you guys more respect and I should actually be taking the time to read over yore posts slowly and give my replies allot of thought, instead of reading and replying as fast as I can
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:25 pm
1) You did not mention Refugee races.
2) You did not specifically say the human portion (and that is still confusing me out of my brain on how you can have followers that are not human....I personally don't see supernatural beings as followers because I do not believe they are real. ((difference in religion and beliefs cause conflicts in understanding another religion/belief system))) when speaking of the cult. Nor did you mention that the words didn't give justice.
Yes after looking it back over one could kind of see where you said that. But in reality you never directly said that words didn't give it justice.
3) Yes, please read over our replies better and take advantage of the topic review to make sure you answered all questions as best as you can. It's much appreciated. =]
4) I'm still wondering if you agreed with my take on how religion is formed... (its a few posts back).
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:29 pm
You do realize that hunter gathers had there own deities or they most likely did, the advent of the agricultural revolution did not suddenly spark religion
Actually I’ve mentioned them numerous times but i think they are in other topics and farther back
Does everything have to be direct?
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:38 pm
They could have had deities, yes, but more than likely not because they were far too focused upon other things. For example, hunting down elephants to feed their families. Besides, they had no time to stop and praise them for they were always on the move... Be careful with your interpretation, I never said spark. It was a slow realization, but it did occur. At least that is the first part where we see signs of religion from artifacts.
No, not everything has to be direct. But if you want someone to see your point, and not have to try and figure out what you're saying and might get it wrong, it's best to come straight out with your argument.
But, I hadn't seen your mention of the races for I am just becoming involved in this guild and have not been stalking old threads. =P
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 pm
Definition of a religion as defined by my dear friend webster (for those who can't understand I'm referencing webster dictionary)
1- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
2- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices
Definition of a cult from Webster
a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
They have quoted several places you contradict yourself, several areas where you change your story, several instances where you change your "religion's" beliefs. So I do not believe it is necessary for me to continue such acts as it will only put you farther in the hole.
However I will say the huge contradiction of all is you keep telling us more and more ridiculous beliefs held by your religion (when no one cares nor asked) yet you say your religion says not to talk about it to others.
How do you keep from being a hypocrite? Stop ******** talking about your stupid fake beliefs since they say you aren't supposed to talk about them anyways.
How are you arguing like a child? You throw a hissy fit and wish death on people because they're mean. Boo hoo hoo... its a childish argument to wish death on anyone for saying rude things. You know what? With the way you act, you shouldn't be surprized that there are rude people who say mean things. Continue how you act, and you'll have to deal with them all your life.
Oh yes, I'm going to be stoned to death by walking through some place I can assure you I will never go. Suck that your "religion" is full of dim witted people whose hypersensitive to what others say.
If they were secure in their beliefs they wouldn't care. No matter what insults are thrown at your made up lady.
how super convenient that your "religion's" only proof is written in any one of five languages that NO ONE other than people in your "religion" know. And that there isn't ANYONE on this planet that can translate it =P YEAH that's TOTALLY credible rolleyes keep feeding us made up s**t. it's only furthering you into this hole and your losing your credibility anywhere in this sub-forum.
You do realize that it is proved that if you read fast your comprehension is lower. This has been pointed out (again you conveniently refuse to reply (i.e. ignore) certain parts of a post).
Your comprehension sucks, stop making excuses, it furthers your childishness.
Ummm no, you're the mockery because you're passing false beliefs off. That makes a mockery of others' religions. Us telling you to stop calling your cult and made up beliefs a religion is defending all real religious rights.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:27 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Have you ever seen my mention the Refugee races? They are anything but human, but they are creatures of flesh and blood, in fact most of youre mythical races are really morphed versions of those races So let me get this straight, all of the mythical creatures (the ones that cannot be proven existed) are part of your religion? now I really think you're full of crap Quote: Actually that 2 year thing was a typo so I'm sorry for the confusion' no, that was a convenient lie to help cover up your contradictions. rolleyes Quote: soul binding is actually the process of binding a soul waiting for reincarnation to a living persons soul, this can save there lives, since its only preformed if someone is about to die so im not talking in third person, im refering to my binded when you use the phrase "He is 13 years old" you are speaking in third person...see how that works? You would use the phrase "I am 13 years old" to speak in first person. Quote: Actually i said the human portion of my religion could be considered a cult, the thousands and thousands of practitioners in the Rose nation and other nations in the Cenrelon Confederation actually fit the definition of a religion if you want to separate them Oh look, a nother new group...Cenrelon Confederation. Now We have: - The Rose Nation - Cenrelon Confederation (...which oddly sounds like Cylon) and - The Refugee Race Quote: i said the definition fit, but i said the words don’t do it any justice Your belief is either a Religion or a Cult (or as it is right now...made up biggrin ) Quote: Actually you guys are misreading my posts , its rather annoying when I answer you’re questions but you insist on saying that i did not answer them correctly Bit hard to understand you, when you can barely spell, use correct grammar, and/or punctuation. If you want to discuss things properly, you need all three. stare And you're misreading us, like you did with me and my go play in traffic comment. Quote: Actually I was surprised to when i started to read these to, for some reason when i read topics on theology I tend to speed up, when normally i tend to go slower when i type and read the posts or PMS and the same goes for reading and writing, i go allot slower then i do when i respond to these posts Yet another convenient lie. Quote: if i actually took the time to slow down and go over my posts and yours, id be able to answer you’re exact questions or reply to you’re comments with a correct answer or counter argument Your point? Quote: so I apologize to the fullest extent because in all honesty I should be giving you guys more respect and I should actually be taking the time to read over yore posts slowly and give my replies allot of thought, instead of reading and replying as fast as I can wow look at that...I read it as "you figured it out...so now I'm gonna suck up and play nice" stare XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX You do realize that hunter gathers had there own deities or they most likely did, the advent of the agricultural revolution did not suddenly spark religion source/proof?
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