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 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:08 pm
OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:10 pm
Shrantic OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:16 pm
uryu ishida Shrantic OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. The edit button is gone again! FFS!!! Anyway, http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=85431&p=618720&hilit=7.62x39+accuracy#p618720
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:31 pm
uryu ishida Shrantic OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o;
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:46 pm
Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:57 pm
OberFeldwebel Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic OberFeldwebel I would add to my post but the quote edit and delete buttons are gone. If you're thinking of putting a scope on the SKS and expecting a sniper, no. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. Quote: Any mounts, other than D&T wont hold zero, also it's the design, they're not that accurate and it's the round too, not accurate. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.) Quote: Well, the SKSs are made for human sized targets at 100 yards. It is possible to hit a pie plate at 200 yards with an SKS I don't doubt that, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:00 pm
Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.)Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo. THat's still reloading. You are re-loading components. Even using virgin brass it's considered reloading. And it's even CHEAPER to reload, when you use brass-cased ammo, because you don't have to buy more brass. Just take the time to pick it up at the range.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:02 pm
Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.)Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo. Wait what? ... What are you thinking of just buying brass and precast/copper jacketed bullets and reloading that way? You'd get experience with reloading but I don't think it'd be any cheaper or any more accurate (unless it is a good weighted bullet) than just getting Wolf stuff.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:24 pm
OberFeldwebel Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic uryu ishida Shrantic Yeah, I don't expect that at all. I'm not an expert marksman, I just want a rifle/carbine with an intermediate cartridge that's passably accurate up to 200 yards. I don't need a 1,000+ dollar sniper rifle firing rounds that cost 2 bucks a piece or anything. I understand. By the way, I may load my own rounds eventually. (To pass time and to get a bit more accurate rounds for a bit more money.)Nor would I, but I don't really need to. Reloading will usually end up cheaper by-round than factory. Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo. Wait what? ... What are you thinking of just buying brass and precast/copper jacketed bullets and reloading that way? You'd get experience with reloading but I don't think it'd be any cheaper or any more accurate (unless it is a good weighted bullet) than just getting Wolf stuff. Loading your own cartridges, if done correctly, will give you ammunition that is drastically more accurate than even match-grade ammo. I don't plan on doing it to cut costs or really even for the extra accuracy, but as a hobby. I have a lot of free time, but not to do anything of any real enjoyment or importance. >.>
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:27 pm
Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic Cheaper than 10¢ a round wolf ammo? O_o; Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo. Wait what? ... What are you thinking of just buying brass and precast/copper jacketed bullets and reloading that way? You'd get experience with reloading but I don't think it'd be any cheaper or any more accurate (unless it is a good weighted bullet) than just getting Wolf stuff. Loading your own cartridges, if done correctly, will give you ammunition that is drastically more accurate than even match-grade ammo. I don't plan on doing it to cut costs or really even for the extra accuracy, but as a hobby. I have a lot of free time, but not to do anything of any real enjoyment or importance. >.> THAT IS RELOADING. There is little significant difference between virgin and (properly) used brass. Used brass is cheaper to get, simply by picking it up when you're done. Load to SAAMI specs, and that brass can last a really long time.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:48 pm
uryu ishida Shrantic OberFeldwebel Shrantic OberFeldwebel Lol true But Wolf is steel cased and non-reloadable. With reloadable stuff you can squeeze the groups a little tighter if you know what you're doing. Also the Wolf stuff with that little hole isn't really a hollow point, they don't expand worth a damn. I found this. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp Oh, I don't plan on reloading, but just plain old loading. Making my own cartridges. I hear that after you get good at it and find the right stuff, you can make your own cartridges that are sometimes far superior to even match-grade ammo. Wait what? ... What are you thinking of just buying brass and precast/copper jacketed bullets and reloading that way? You'd get experience with reloading but I don't think it'd be any cheaper or any more accurate (unless it is a good weighted bullet) than just getting Wolf stuff. Loading your own cartridges, if done correctly, will give you ammunition that is drastically more accurate than even match-grade ammo. I don't plan on doing it to cut costs or really even for the extra accuracy, but as a hobby. I have a lot of free time, but not to do anything of any real enjoyment or importance. >.> THAT IS RELOADING. I KNOW BUT IT JUST SEEMS SO ******** WEIRD TO SAY "RELOADING" WHEN USING VIRGIN MATERIALS. gonk Quote: There is little significant difference between virgin and (properly) used brass. Used brass is cheaper to get, simply by picking it up when you're done. Load to SAAMI specs, and that brass can last a really long time. Yeah, I guess I might as well use the spent casings, too, but I'm probably going to be reloading more rounds than I fire until I find a range that'll let me shoot more than single-load only. >.> Seriously, it's barely worth it to go to that range unless you're firing high-powered rifles. And even then, the range only extends to 220 yards, so it's not like any truly experienced marksman is going to have any kind of fun or challenge. stare
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:15 pm
uryu ishida Requiem in Mortis OberFeldwebel I think the milsurp x39 is corrosive. I think. I do know that the lake city .30 Carbine ammunition is non-corrosive. Also, $900 for an M1 Carbine? Buying from a shop? http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htmGet Service Grade, rack grade is near the death of the barrel or unshootable. Is isn't very difficult to be able to get stuff from them the biggest thing is being 21. http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htmWhile it may take a couple months to get your order in and have it shipped you'll have about $300 to spend on ammo. If and when you do an order, have a couple selections of makes, in case they sell out of the one. Just looked, they sold out of mags. sad Just looked at the Garand. Hot damn, $500 for my all-time favorite WWII battle rifle? Sign me up! If I did, though, what grade should I go with? I want one of the grades that's under nine hundred, but I heard this talk about the rack-grade being s**t. You'd want to spend the extra for at least a field-grade. They have an SA field-grade up for $500. Yea, I saw it. It doesn't do me any good until I move out and get some money, but the person I'm moving in with doesn't give a damn if I own guns. Now the apartment complex, on the other hand....
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:55 pm
Requiem in Mortis uryu ishida Requiem in Mortis OberFeldwebel I think the milsurp x39 is corrosive. I think. I do know that the lake city .30 Carbine ammunition is non-corrosive. Also, $900 for an M1 Carbine? Buying from a shop? http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htmGet Service Grade, rack grade is near the death of the barrel or unshootable. Is isn't very difficult to be able to get stuff from them the biggest thing is being 21. http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htmWhile it may take a couple months to get your order in and have it shipped you'll have about $300 to spend on ammo. If and when you do an order, have a couple selections of makes, in case they sell out of the one. Just looked, they sold out of mags. sad Just looked at the Garand. Hot damn, $500 for my all-time favorite WWII battle rifle? Sign me up! If I did, though, what grade should I go with? I want one of the grades that's under nine hundred, but I heard this talk about the rack-grade being s**t. You'd want to spend the extra for at least a field-grade. They have an SA field-grade up for $500. Yea, I saw it. It doesn't do me any good until I move out and get some money, but the person I'm moving in with doesn't give a damn if I own guns. Now the apartment complex, on the other hand.... Same with mine. But I don't give a s**t!
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:19 am
My dad has a Chinese SKS, with a PLAA 'Red Star' scope. GOD is it a nice gun. It has absolutely NO recoil, it just shakes like mad. For the price, you could certainly do worse.
Curious though... why is it you want intermediate?
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:46 am
Fresnel My dad has a Chinese SKS, with a PLAA 'Red Star' scope. GOD is it a nice gun. It has absolutely NO recoil, it just shakes like mad. For the price, you could certainly do worse. Curious though... why is it you want intermediate? Because the only guns we have either kick like mules (hunting rifles, shotguns) or can't reach out to 100 yards without dropping IMMENSELY. (.22) Also, .30-06 is really, really expensive around here, and shotgun slugs just don't seem to agree with our shotgun. (2 foot groups at 50 yards, not human error.)
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