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 Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:22 am
Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:00 am
In Medias Res IV Is it not popular belief that if you do not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, you will burn in Hell (Even though Romans 6:23 proves that this is incorrect)? Just wondering, how does Romans 6:23 prove that as incorrect? I read it, and I didn't get that. Maybe I am missing something.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:09 am
comfortably_dumb In Medias Res IV Is it not popular belief that if you do not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, you will burn in Hell (Even though Romans 6:23 proves that this is incorrect)? Just wondering, how does Romans 6:23 prove that as incorrect? I read it, and I didn't get that. Maybe I am missing something. The wages of sin is death, not eternal damnation.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:22 am
comfortably_dumb In Medias Res IV Is it not popular belief that if you do not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, you will burn in Hell (Even though Romans 6:23 proves that this is incorrect)? Just wondering, how does Romans 6:23 prove that as incorrect? I read it, and I didn't get that. Maybe I am missing something. Death in this context is referring to the second death. The death of the spirit. If you die the second death or rather you spirit dies, you don't go to heaven or hell, you simply don't exist. Hell is reserved for those who are vile.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:19 am
Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:21 am
Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. The only problem is that to be a Jewish you must renounce any previous religious affiliations. You cannot believe in Christian concepts to be Jewish. The apostles because Christians in other words, they renounced their Jewish faith. neutral
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:26 am
Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. No, no no no no. Oh my head. Dear Semiremis, Christianity did not start off as a Jewish sect. The majority of Early Christians were GENTILES. This started out as a GENTILE religion and continues to be so, hence, why there are still Jews today. Judaism and Christianity are truly not similar at all.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:41 am
Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. Actually, like In Medias Res said, a lot of the early Christians were Gentiles
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:43 am
E.G. 007 Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. Actually, like In Medias Res said, a lot of the early Christians were Gentiles Before anyone mentions the Ebionites, let's get it 100% clear that although they believed Jesus to be Moshaich they 100% did not believe him to be divine. So no, this Jewish Christian sect cannot be proof for Messianic Judaism.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:46 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden comfortably_dumb In Medias Res IV Is it not popular belief that if you do not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, you will burn in Hell (Even though Romans 6:23 proves that this is incorrect)? Just wondering, how does Romans 6:23 prove that as incorrect? I read it, and I didn't get that. Maybe I am missing something. Death in this context is referring to the second death. The death of the spirit. If you die the second death or rather you spirit dies, you don't go to heaven or hell, you simply don't exist. Hell is reserved for those who are vile. Thank you for explaining. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:31 pm
Looks like In Media Res beat me to it.
There were very specific things that the Messiah was supposed to do. Preaching and dying weren't on that list, so much.
The real problem I see with Jesus having been the guy, from the Jewish perspective, is the concept of Ethical Monothiesm- why would an ethical god set up a system that his son had to be butchered? He's in power here, why this?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:34 pm
dancing-in-the-streets Looks like In Media Res beat me to it. There were very specific things that the Messiah was supposed to do. Preaching and dying weren't on that list, so much. The real problem I see with Jesus having been the guy, from the Jewish perspective, is the concept of Ethical Monothiesm- why would an ethical god set up a system that his son had to be butchered? He's in power here, why this? The same question could be asked to the Jews. Why would their God have them suffer the pains and anguish of the Holocaust if they are God's chosen people?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:09 pm
Someoneiknow dancing-in-the-streets Looks like In Media Res beat me to it. There were very specific things that the Messiah was supposed to do. Preaching and dying weren't on that list, so much. The real problem I see with Jesus having been the guy, from the Jewish perspective, is the concept of Ethical Monothiesm- why would an ethical god set up a system that his son had to be butchered? He's in power here, why this? The same question could be asked to the Jews. Why would their God have them suffer the pains and anguish of the Holocaust if they are God's chosen people? Because HaShem told them that as His chosen they WILL encounter hatred and be put through a very hard time. This makes a Jew's love for Hashem stronger than the love any other nation has for Hashem. If you wish to contest this, then please wonder to yourself why most Christians have an issue following TWO commandments, TWO Laws, that's all, when Jews have hundreds and do them willingly. A Jew is on this earth to bring peace to the world, to bring HaShem to earth. Do you know that it's taught that if Jews stop lighting shabbos candles, peace will cease to exist in this world? As G-d's chosen they have a mission to fulfil on this earth that a Christian cannot fulfil. Noahides have 7 mitzvos to live by and one of their missions is to bring JEWS back to Judaism. Jews have 613 Laws and a mission to bring G-d to this world. Christians will disagree with me on this and I don't care. I don't see any peace on earth right now. In every single generation there is a person born in this world who has the potential to be Moshaich, this is Talmudic, Jesus wasn't it so Jews are still obligated to the Torah. Part of being obligated to Torah means being hated.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:12 pm
In Medias Res IV Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. No, no no no no. Oh my head. Dear Semiremis, Christianity did not start off as a Jewish sect. The majority of Early Christians were GENTILES. This started out as a GENTILE religion and continues to be so, hence, why there are still Jews today. Judaism and Christianity are truly not similar at all. Nope. It started off as a Jewish sect, Jesus and his followers were Jews. It may have became a religion for the gentiles but historically it didn't begin with the gentiles.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:13 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis Shadows-shine Link_of_Hylia Shadows-shine @ Link_of_Hylia- I don't think the Messianic Jews are sinning their guts out. I was just curious about the religion in general because it sounded kind of like an oxymoron...Jews that believe Christ is the Messiah. I don't much about the religion itself and I was just curious if some one could shed light on it for me. I also wasn't sure if the religion was realistic because of my limited knowledge about Jews and what not. lol, you didn't say we were. IMRI said something like we are "HUGE" sinners. True. We are all HUGE sinners. ^_^ hmm... but I still have a few inches to grow in my opinion so save the short jokes until I become a few years older. ... It seems like an oxymoron. I get asked all the time how that works. At church they call me the "resident Jew" lol. It's pretty awesome, no lies. Messianic Judaism is so much like Christianity and so much like Judaism. In religious aspects, I would say the Messianic Jewish community may look more like a church and yet in cultural aspects, the community looks much more like a synagogue and the general area around one. However, Jewish culture and religion are tied so deeply together... well, messianic judaism can be interpreted a bit different. For the most part though, core belief is the same. And their isn't enough to really divide us into branches such as conservative or orthodox or episcopal or baptist. lol. Just some facts, ya know'. Interesting... So if you guys consider yourself Christian, why not just call yourself Christian rather than Jewish? Christianity started off as a Jewish sect, the early "Christian figures" in the bible were Jewish so at one point there was that ambiguous position between two separate but interconnected belief systems. Messianic Judaism seems to represent that. The only problem is that to be a Jewish you must renounce any previous religious affiliations. You cannot believe in Christian concepts to be Jewish. The apostles because Christians in other words, they renounced their Jewish faith. neutral They're Jews, what previous affiliations are you talking about?
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