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 Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:03 pm
xxEternallyBluexx -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden quietstorm 2 Sanguina Cruenta quietstorm 2 Recently I had someone move out of my home that believed in withchcraft. Durning her 11 month stay. She could not change her circumstances (not good). She said she believed in GOD but she stressed out durning my time of prayer, and did'nt enter the sanctuary when we went to church. Finally she was convinced by what she saw in my lifestyle and she ask for prayer. Her circumstances did change, she was abled to return home. I do pray that she accepted the fact of something much more powerful in our lives then magical powers and munipulating others Now that she is back in the same atmosphere she can never deniy the power of GOD and prayer. Her craft did not answer her call. Just had to share that! Craft does not answer calls. Craft is somethng that you do yourself. I imagine she felt some sort of cognitive dissonance between her practise of witchcraft and her belief in her deity... many believe he disapproves of witchcraft and she may have done also. That would explain everything in her situation, from her distress during prayer to her inability to perform magic successfully. It is good that she has found peace again. But I am unsure why you felt it necessary to share this. I do sincerely hope that you are not sharing this to imply that your god is better for us than our own, or that those of us who practise witchcraft should give up our practice. The answer to that is we all carry the spirit we choose to carry. What I'm saying is The GOD I worship and the spiritual conection has prove himself over and over and over again and he did'nt have to do it; so I favor HIM over anything in this world. And if you don't mind sharing has witchcraft ever been productive for you. So far I've never heard any positive things about it maybe you can enlighten me? I do learn from corresponding. Thank you in advance. People who re-emerge as Christians will say bad things in order to convince people that they are one of God's children. Whereas those who practice witchcraft will say many positive things. Those who say negative things about the Craft either never really dabbled with it or listened intently to what a pastor or priest thought about the Craft or read the Bible at face value. Look witchcraft is wrong if you're a Christian because you're depending on yourself, and other spirits, not the Lord. You know there's actually sects of Christianity that believe in using prophecy, and other supernatural gifts? I'm in one of them, our church has a prophecy team. The difference is are you going by what the Holy Spirit shows you, or by other spirits? Actually it's not wrong according to the ORIGINAL TEXT. The Original version of the Bible, being Greek or Hebrew does not state witchcraft is wrong but being a poisoner. neutral
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:27 pm
quietstorm 2 The answer to that is we all carry the spirit we choose to carry. What I'm saying is The GOD I worship and the spiritual conection has prove himself over and over and over again and he did'nt have to do it; so I favor HIM over anything in this world. And if you don't mind sharing has witchcraft ever been productive for you. So far I've never heard any positive things about it maybe you can enlighten me? I do learn from corresponding. Thank you in advance. If you want to hear positive things, you need to ask practising witches wink Of course it's been productive for me. It's a huge part of my spirituality. I'd be blind without it, I'd be stuck on the ground. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. It's every bit as important to my personal path as my gods are. It's brought me peace, it's brought me joy, it's brought me empowerment. It gives me new ways to serve my gods.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:43 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden xxEternallyBluexx -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden quietstorm 2 Sanguina Cruenta quietstorm 2 Recently I had someone move out of my home that believed in withchcraft. Durning her 11 month stay. She could not change her circumstances (not good). She said she believed in GOD but she stressed out durning my time of prayer, and did'nt enter the sanctuary when we went to church. Finally she was convinced by what she saw in my lifestyle and she ask for prayer. Her circumstances did change, she was abled to return home. I do pray that she accepted the fact of something much more powerful in our lives then magical powers and munipulating others Now that she is back in the same atmosphere she can never deniy the power of GOD and prayer. Her craft did not answer her call. Just had to share that! Craft does not answer calls. Craft is somethng that you do yourself. I imagine she felt some sort of cognitive dissonance between her practise of witchcraft and her belief in her deity... many believe he disapproves of witchcraft and she may have done also. That would explain everything in her situation, from her distress during prayer to her inability to perform magic successfully. It is good that she has found peace again. But I am unsure why you felt it necessary to share this. I do sincerely hope that you are not sharing this to imply that your god is better for us than our own, or that those of us who practise witchcraft should give up our practice. The answer to that is we all carry the spirit we choose to carry. What I'm saying is The GOD I worship and the spiritual conection has prove himself over and over and over again and he did'nt have to do it; so I favor HIM over anything in this world. And if you don't mind sharing has witchcraft ever been productive for you. So far I've never heard any positive things about it maybe you can enlighten me? I do learn from corresponding. Thank you in advance. People who re-emerge as Christians will say bad things in order to convince people that they are one of God's children. Whereas those who practice witchcraft will say many positive things. Those who say negative things about the Craft either never really dabbled with it or listened intently to what a pastor or priest thought about the Craft or read the Bible at face value. Look witchcraft is wrong if you're a Christian because you're depending on yourself, and other spirits, not the Lord. You know there's actually sects of Christianity that believe in using prophecy, and other supernatural gifts? I'm in one of them, our church has a prophecy team. The difference is are you going by what the Holy Spirit shows you, or by other spirits? Actually it's not wrong according to the ORIGINAL TEXT. The Original version of the Bible, being Greek or Hebrew does not state witchcraft is wrong but being a poisoner. neutral Would you mind getting the Greek and Hebrew words and their definitions? wink
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:53 pm
No offense to you but this topic is to discuss why people differentiate magic and give it colors not to say Witchcraft is bad because you don't listen to "The Lord Spirit" so if you wouldn't mind I'd like the conversation about it to stop because I would like to learn why Magic is given "Black" and "White" colors.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Would you mind getting the Greek and Hebrew words and their definitions? wink All the words and appropriate translations are listed on the page previous to this one.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:52 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Look witchcraft is wrong if you're a Christian because you're depending on yourself, and other spirits, not the Lord. What if you a) don't "depend on" or even interact with other spirits and b) work magic in conjunction with YHWH? The only thing left in that instance would be to say that it is wrong because you are depending on yourself, and... If depending on one's self is wrong in YHWH's eyes, I'll give up my worship of Him now, thankee-sai. Although I really don't think it is, unless someone has verses which show otherwise? Preferably from Christ Himself?
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:40 am
This is one of my issues with the Doctrine of Total Depravity. When this doctrine is taken to the extreme, conclusions such as not being able to trust one's own self can be drawn, which I must say is counter and in opposition to Jesus's Parable of the Talents.
Now I'm not saying there isn't any truth in this doctrine but I have seen it used to "force" the view of a particular theologian and "dismiss" any form of opposition. This doctrine I have also seen used to prevent one from looking inward, since looking inward at the corrupt reflection that we are unless we are "saved" will only lead one to the clutches of Satan (the Protestant quasi-deity interpretation of this person is who I speak of here).
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:43 am
Yeah there's gray.
A white magic (none of that special k s**t, it's unjustifiable) spell like for money.
Cast money spell. Get money. How? Your mother dies and left you some in her will.
White magic gone gray. It can be a white or black spell gone bad or good.
Another example, normally black spell, to say break somebodies leg. Dur that's horrible. But as like, revenge, help a friend because person x was being a douche and that broken leg will some how make them not bug person y anymore.
I've yet to hear a real gray spell intentionally meant to neither be black or white.
But also, one has to remember that there's no such thing as absolute black and absolute white (or moral/immoral, good/bad, etc.). The before mentioned money spell could be a sign of greediness on the casters part.
So in essence, there's no such thing as casting a gray spell for me, let alone a black/white one. Only making an already black/white one gray, and just white washing a gray or dying black a gray. It really comes down to a persons personal moral.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:54 am
If you need to cast a spell to get something you think you need in life or you think will help your friend(s) in life DO it your self damn it. Magic aint a tool to help you get farther in life its there for spirtual connections not so i can get x amount of cash. Variables are a factor and the reason people hear about horrible things happening from magic is because A) the caster did something stupid to not restrict the magics flow so no one got hurt or B) someone was screwing around with it and connected with a "bad" entity and it caused crap. Magic is perfectly fine to practice and use as long as you keep its flow towards whatever you set so no one gets hurt. These are all my personal beliefs anyway everyone else has others so anyone agree with anything in this post?
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:49 pm
Zslone2 If you need to cast a spell to get something you think you need in life or you think will help your friend(s) in life DO it your self damn it. Surely casting a spell IS doing it yourself? Quote: Magic aint a tool to help you get farther in life Why not? Quote: its there for spirtual connections not so i can get x amount of cash. I'm sure that's true for you, but it isn't necessarily true for everyone.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:25 pm
xxEternallyBluexx -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden quietstorm 2 Sanguina Cruenta quietstorm 2 Recently I had someone move out of my home that believed in withchcraft. Durning her 11 month stay. She could not change her circumstances (not good). She said she believed in GOD but she stressed out durning my time of prayer, and did'nt enter the sanctuary when we went to church. Finally she was convinced by what she saw in my lifestyle and she ask for prayer. Her circumstances did change, she was abled to return home. I do pray that she accepted the fact of something much more powerful in our lives then magical powers and munipulating others Now that she is back in the same atmosphere she can never deniy the power of GOD and prayer. Her craft did not answer her call. Just had to share that! Craft does not answer calls. Craft is somethng that you do yourself. I imagine she felt some sort of cognitive dissonance between her practise of witchcraft and her belief in her deity... many believe he disapproves of witchcraft and she may have done also. That would explain everything in her situation, from her distress during prayer to her inability to perform magic successfully. It is good that she has found peace again. But I am unsure why you felt it necessary to share this. I do sincerely hope that you are not sharing this to imply that your god is better for us than our own, or that those of us who practise witchcraft should give up our practice. The answer to that is we all carry the spirit we choose to carry. What I'm saying is The GOD I worship and the spiritual conection has prove himself over and over and over again and he did'nt have to do it; so I favor HIM over anything in this world. And if you don't mind sharing has witchcraft ever been productive for you. So far I've never heard any positive things about it maybe you can enlighten me? I do learn from corresponding. Thank you in advance. People who re-emerge as Christians will say bad things in order to convince people that they are one of God's children. Whereas those who practice witchcraft will say many positive things. Those who say negative things about the Craft either never really dabbled with it or listened intently to what a pastor or priest thought about the Craft or read the Bible at face value. Look witchcraft is wrong if you're a Christian because you're depending on yourself, and other spirits, not the Lord. You know there's actually sects of Christianity that believe in using prophecy, and other supernatural gifts? I'm in one of them, our church has a prophecy team. The difference is are you going by what the Holy Spirit shows you, or by other spirits? Considering there is no belief in a Holy Spirit (or a divine good) nor an entity such as Satan (divine evil) in Paganism (or Wicca at least), the holy spirit shouldn't even come into this converstaion. before you go and say everything we do is evil, look it up and stop only reading the biased sources, such as the bible. And i don't believe the bible was supposed to be used for guessing who was going to win the next war or what the next winning lotto ticket number was going to be, which is how i believe "prophesizing" is to be taken literraly, although i personally don't believe you can possibly predict the future. the future is a constantly changing picture that the artist hasn't decided what to do next until he has it painted, not a tapestry that you can search for your own personal goals.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:47 pm
Uless Considering there is no belief in a Holy Spirit (or a divine good) nor an entity such as Satan (divine evil) in Paganism (or Wicca at least), the holy spirit shouldn't even come into this converstaion. We were discussing witchcraft, not Paganism.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:21 am
Sanguina Cruenta Uless Considering there is no belief in a Holy Spirit (or a divine good) nor an entity such as Satan (divine evil) in Paganism (or Wicca at least), the holy spirit shouldn't even come into this converstaion. We were discussing witchcraft, not Paganism. Also the Holy Spirit would be very important in Christian magical/witchraft traditions because of the gifts that are conveyed upon receiving Her, the Charismatas.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:21 am
I believe Magick is what it is...Magick. I do not think there is black, white, or gray. I believe it depends on your intent of what it is you are wishing it to do. Would it be Black Magick if I sent a banishing spell to rid a home of Negitive Energy? Is it White Magick if i Bless a home with Song and Sage? Again, I believe it is the intent of the person not what the Magick is itself.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:54 am
all i'm gonna say on the matter is this: i believe all things are subjective. "Back" and "white" magic are human classifications of something that would exist without humanity. humas classify it however they want. it is subjective.
i personally don't believe in classifying it in black and white. and i certainly don't believe in good and evil.
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