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 Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:13 am
In publics schools, it should only be in subjects such as religious education. In schools associated with a certain religion, like Catholic Schools, that certain religion should be talked about.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:44 am
Its not a federal Mandate to teach Creationism in schools and seeing how I'm in high school and don't know what creationism is it's obviously not a federal mandate.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:32 am
Jewpanesey Do you believe that in public schools (be they universities or high schools or whatever) teachers/professors should be allowed to TEACH (not discuss) their personal religious beliefs as fact? Why/why not? The only way that would be somewhat acceptable is if they are teaching a class concerning their faith that is not required study. I am hesitant to even consider that, because they would not be objective and present a biased view. Now for religious based schools they are obviously going to instruct and promote their faith. So, that would be their cirriculem's specific concern.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:26 pm
American freedom my a**. In Texas non religion students are now forced to learn the belief that some imaginary guy living in the sky created the whole universe in 7 days. right.
Religious freedom to shove your beliefs down are children's thoughts. Parents no longer have any say over what they want their kids to learn. Disgusting.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:10 pm
Temba American freedom my a**. In Texas non religion students are now forced to learn the belief that some imaginary guy living in the sky created the whole universe in 7 days. right. Religious freedom to shove your beliefs down are children's thoughts. Parents no longer have any say over what they want their kids to learn. Disgusting. Not quite. I was reading up on this from a CNN news article written back in March. Apparently the only changes that were made were that the idea of evolution gets to be examined and questioned more thoroughly (which sounds okay at first), but it's more of an opening for intelligent design than a religion's creation myth. That unfortunately will open up some holes to be filled by positing ones own personal religious views, or at least thats what intelligent design seems to have been made for. It's not sad that they are questioning evolution, there are a lot of different aspects of it that are up for debate. The problem is that they will be questioning the fact of evolution when there is no current scientific evidence that challenges it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:46 pm
Semiremis Temba American freedom my a**. In Texas non religion students are now forced to learn the belief that some imaginary guy living in the sky created the whole universe in 7 days. right. Religious freedom to shove your beliefs down are children's thoughts. Parents no longer have any say over what they want their kids to learn. Disgusting. Not quite. I was reading up on this from a CNN news article written back in March. Apparently the only changes that were made were that the idea of evolution gets to be examined and questioned more thoroughly (which sounds okay at first), but it's more of an opening for intelligent design than a religion's creation myth. That unfortunately will open up some holes to be filled by positing ones own personal religious views, or at least thats what intelligent design seems to have been made for. It's not sad that they are questioning evolution, there are a lot of different aspects of it that are up for debate. The problem is that they will be questioning the fact of evolution when there is no current scientific evidence that challenges it. Intelligent design implies god, I don't care how CNN wrote that article. The problem is the people making these deceptions are Christian. there desitions are influenced by their faith.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:53 pm
Wats Creationism? Cause i never heard it before other than here. Someone mind filling me in?
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:44 pm
Zslone2 Wats Creationism? Cause i never heard it before other than here. Someone mind filling me in? Creationism is the belief that we were created by God and that's how we came to be on this planet. However the Christian God does support evolution in a way. But if you're going to teach Creationism it would be best to teach all of the Creation myths of the different religion. My favorite being that of Shintoism. Izanagi and Izanami. heart
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:48 pm
I don't think they should. It would put down everyone else who doesn't believe in that religion. Like make them feel out of place, feel discriminated against, etc. Now, I think it's fine to 'discuss' religion as long as it's not one sided. This way students get to learn about other belief systems in a safe manner. If it is a religious school where obviously most people are of the same religion than they should teach it. Although, they could also teach it if it's for instance a college course and the class is about it. But, I don't think they should preach about it still as being the 'right' religion in the course. So, there are boundaries with it in my opinion. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:29 am
Teaching religion should be part of an optionnal or, even better, after-school course on religion.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:38 pm
almisami Teaching religion should be part of an optionnal or, even better, after-school course on religion. I don't know about that. I think it should be taught in every classroom in the US since it plays such an integral role in the life of many people in the world. For example, I think it would be better if kids from Junior High to High school seriously examined what role Islam plays in the Suicide bombings that we've heard more of since 9/11. Why do they do what they do, does their religion dictate their subsequent actions, how much of a role does it play, does it have more to do with the culture or with the dominant figures of the culture, do historical conflicts between Muslims and Christians have anything to do with the conflict seen today between the US and the Islamic countries of the Middle East? That sort of thing. Education of religion and the impact it has on the cultural interactions found in the world is something that I think is highly important and should be a requisite of the US public school education. The only problem is making sure that it's taught from a more objective viewpoint. That's something I oftentimes overlook since I grew up in a more liberal area and religion was never preached in school, and there was never anyone pushing for it to be either. Where I grew up the concern would be in controlling the far left liberal bias.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:43 pm
Creationism is not science! It should not be taught as such.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:03 pm
To all those who want their Christian Politicians voting by their faith, I want you to read a book called "A Handmaid's Tale". And everyone else, it happens to be a great read. This topic sorta reminded me of that book.
I thinks that faith has absolutely no ground inside of politics. "Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasar's and render unto God what is God's" eh? Well, I refuse to acknowledge either this or the last president as any sort of "Ceasar" in that sense, but the Constitution on the other hand must govern our government.
While there is a dispute about where the Separation of Church and state arose, I find it to be essential for a healthy government. Render unto thy Constitution what is thy Constitution's... by allowing everyone their right to practice as they choose.
Especially noting how Middle Eastern culture has created Shsha tobacco, banning such a thing as these "new vices" seems incredibly ethnocentric to me. If Christians don't want tattoos, then I suggest not getting them - the rest of us are perfectly happy without you joining our fun.
Then again, if we want to go by the spirit of the bible passage where Jesus met the temple money changers, I guess we should ban religious stores. I find it deplorable to make money off of "franchising faith" in such a way. Churches that set up shop with "Jesus Malls" right next door seem just as disingenuous for this reason.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:26 pm
By bad. Old comp, and posted that in the wrong thread.
Why is the church suddenly so insufficient to educate Christians about Chritianity? The institution to perform this function already exists. Why bother the rest of us with state-sanctioned proselytizing, which is how many would take it?
It's one thing to teach a world religions course to kids, and cover this there - along side several other major religions. It's another to teach religious ideas as scientific facts.
When the facts are collected and boiled down, we see a pretty clear process of evolution for hominids, from austrolopithecus to homo sapiens. No, the record is not complete - that's how archaeology works. We will get the occasional fossil out of Thousands which was preserved in such a way as to give us any information. That's why a "complete skeleton" in archaeology is one with at least 60% of the bones found.
That being said, there are several different dating methods - Carbon dating was recalibrated, and an accurate range for it defined; thermoluminesence (where pottery and tools are heated until they glow, and the intensity of the light shows the age because of trapped electrons); Potassium Argon Dating, which works like carbon dating but more for rocks and dating the grand canyon; and Uranium dating, which falls in the middle, is also used mainly for rocks. (All archaeological info taken from "Archaeology: Theories, Methods, and Practice 5th Edition)
Those dating methods other than carbon dating ascribe dates which are much older than what the "biblical method" of summing up the lifetimes of 42 stated generations between abraham and Jesus, and the rest from Abraham to Adam. (Neat aside: 42! The answer to the ultimate question! Is the ultimate question then, "How many generations between covenants?" Then we're overdue!) Wasn't that concept invented in the 1800s anyway? (Help me out here guys!)
I would much rather children be taught using information that can be verified in the field, which is the basis for science.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:12 pm
Personally, I would be outraged if a teacher of mine started discussing her/his own religion (even if I were in Religious Education class in high school). They have absolutely no right to try to influence or convert children to their own beliefs.
If we were in college/university and they teacher started debating a religious topic I would hope that they would discuss factors from many without mentioning that this was their personal belief.
At most, we should be taught different factors of religion INCLUDING EVOLUTION WHICH IS ALSO A BELIEF!
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