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Ok, put some trust into a Milotic. It once was in the OU tier as well. Status inducing doesn't automatically mean burn it. You still have sleep, poison, and paralysis. Your making it seem like Garchomp is "the unbeatable" or something. And.. Taking into affect, Every trainer WILL not run a Garchomp on their team, the trainers that due will less than likely have Sandstorm active/or even have it on their team. Your auto placing Sand veil as if it carried Sand stream. You have to work in all the possible accusations, not just the most ultimate set.

@Koishii X: I agree Scizor can be taken down, but I also feel the same with garchomp. I fail to see how the counters you point out for scizor are any different from the counters I point out for Garchomp. They all can absorb damage and stop a set up in his tracks. Also to note friend, why am I going to point out the obvious counters that everyone else has pointed out to begin with. It seems like every one's reason for garchomp being powerful is just because of his sand veil ability tied to his stats. Eliminate one of the problems and you are set. Also to point out, Rain Dance teams are not the only ones that can stop it. Hail teams, though overlooked, seem to be pretty effective strategy.

@KuraiKitty: I am well aware that there are many counters to scizor. Though as pointed out, some of the counters require a set up, and as such is no different with garchomp.

I agree that there are far less pokemon to counter garchomp, than the likes of Blissey and Skarmory, but those 2 pokes represent the extremes of what they are used for. Of course they are going to be ineffective against what they were not trained to deal with, after all, they job focused pokemon.

Also to note, since when have the weather type teams been novelty? I have always found them to quite sound in competing against others in the OU metegame. Aside from this, I never said that a weather team was just meant to take down only one poke. I pointed out as being another way of dealing with the sandstorm chomps that everyone seems to loathe. Not to mention if one builds their team, there is point in wasting a slot just to counter one pokemon. After all, that would be ludicrious. Lastly on this subject, stealth rock has seen alot of usage despite being a status move. Is this or spikes for the matter any different than rain dance, sand storm, sunny day or hail if one figures out how to benefit the entire team whether it takes down garchomp or more?


Also, I agree that crobat cannot take a hit, but I believe you are taking it too lightly. After all, it still has access to the move hypnosis. Sleep garchomp, phase him and than switch or U-turn. To note as well, Sleep inducing moves are just as accurate as burn moves in D/P.

It justs seems like others don't want to deal with battling Garchomp in the OU setting when there are still a good tactics to take it down. Many may be unorthodox, but that doesn't mean it can not be done.

I wouldn't go that far. But I believe with careful team planning, Garchomp can be taken down, as well as any other pokemon with whatever team they are associated with.

I full heartedly agree. I do find it dull, but whether garchomp remains in this tier or not, the OU metagame scene will still be swamp with the same repetative pokemon everyone uses, including Blissey, Cressilia, Scizor, Inferape, Tyranitar, Salamance, Ect.

garchomp 2 me is pretty fair

I beg to differ there. My Crobat can take a hit and has retained its speed. Although I have stolen some from the attack area it has served me well over the year since I started the meta game.

With that being said I have made my decision. I declare Garchomp as an OU tier in my book.

I do agree that crobat can take hits (I have 3 i should know) But a immobilize Garchomp is worthless.

Once again, an adamant choice band Weavile will always outspeed and OHKO a YacheChomp