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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:05 pm


Zahwomen
It's easy.
Study the brain.

Why worry about destroying the brain in a quick getaway when a ball-peen hammer pop to the Motor Cortex renders the thing a slab of meat that can't even blink?

Stuck in a tight spot?
Pop it in the back of the head and destroy the Occipital Lobe, blind it while never having to touch the eyes.

Bash it in it's Thalmus Gland, watch as it stops feeling hunger and just stands there.

Carry a strong hammer and study up, it may save you in a close quarter fight for your life.

the thalmus gland thing might work but the disabling the brain wouldn't unless you had a zombie to try it on. In some versions of lore the brain is mutated to make the zombie completely self sufficient. They dont NEED to eat they just feel the need to. but youd have to test it to make sure
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:46 pm


A great idea would be to locate the nearest military base and regroup with the troops. They are much more skilled in tactical situations than I will ever be. They organize on a larger scale, have the back up technology, and have the firepower.

Consider yourself recruited if you choose to go, though.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:16 pm


D_Marx
A great idea would be to locate the nearest military base and regroup with the troops. They are much more skilled in tactical situations than I will ever be. They organize on a larger scale, have the back up technology, and have the firepower.

Consider yourself recruited if you choose to go, though.

Or shot. You assume theyll welcome you with open arms. In the beginning theyll have no frigging clue as to how its spread and will likely shoot on site.


but thats if your lucky. it could be that the nearest base is blood bath city because everyone else had the same idea and people were infected and the ripple effect ensued
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:44 am


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A great idea would be to locate the nearest military base and regroup with the troops. They are much more skilled in tactical situations than I will ever be. They organize on a larger scale, have the back up technology, and have the firepower.

Consider yourself recruited if you choose to go, though.

Or shot. You assume theyll welcome you with open arms. In the beginning theyll have no frigging clue as to how its spread and will likely shoot on site.


but thats if your lucky. it could be that the nearest base is blood bath city because everyone else had the same idea and people were infected and the ripple effect ensued

True, I'm thinking like a human being, not a soldier, but their first instinct would be to find each other, and then survivors. Containment would probably be their next plan, and if you don't transform then you're safe. Blood samples are important, too, especially if they have a doctor or scientist around.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:07 am


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D_Marx
A great idea would be to locate the nearest military base and regroup with the troops. They are much more skilled in tactical situations than I will ever be. They organize on a larger scale, have the back up technology, and have the firepower.

Consider yourself recruited if you choose to go, though.

Or shot. You assume theyll welcome you with open arms. In the beginning theyll have no frigging clue as to how its spread and will likely shoot on site.


but thats if your lucky. it could be that the nearest base is blood bath city because everyone else had the same idea and people were infected and the ripple effect ensued

True, I'm thinking like a human being, not a soldier, but their first instinct would be to find each other, and then survivors. Containment would probably be their next plan, and if you don't transform then you're safe. Blood samples are important, too, especially if they have a doctor or scientist around.

true. but in a time of crisis when every person is at their worst would you really want to trust your life to hundreds that you dont know?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:05 am


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blindedscience
Heh. With limited resources you'll need to consider any resource available. That includes other people.
You might imagine it once you're starving. :p

what if that person was just infected. if you eat their flesh your now infected. enjoy the unlife


If you're starving it doesn't matter. You're going to be dead anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:28 am


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true. but in a time of crisis when every person is at their worst would you really want to trust your life to hundreds that you dont know?


World War Z talked about the military and their reaction to a zombie outbreak. I think the way it was treated would be accurate.
Large, conventional militaries will, by and large, get decimated by a zombie outbreak. They're laid out in ways that are effective for dealing with conventional warfare, but deal poorly with non-conventional warfare (there are real-world examples to be seen of this everywhere you look).
In the case of the United States military, during domestic peacetime (which is nearly all the time), the command chain is very long with largely ineffective leaders at the bottom. During the initial chaos of this sort of event, bases will end up locking down. They won't be accepting (or protecting) civilians who aren't already on the base or who aren't smuggled in by service members.
Guns will be placed at the gates. Once they figure out that whatever they're dealing with can't be reasoned with, they'll pretty much shoot anything that approaches the gate.
Some bases include hospital facilities. These bases will be overrun internally because there are only a small subset of areas inside a base that are guarded by armed personnel. Most base security is not armed, and it's based on a hard shell exterior.
A *few* bases will remain intact, and once information gets around about the nature of the outbreak, it'll be too late for you to get to them. HOWEVER, they will likely mount rescue operations by airlift.

Now, the NON-conventional/special operations groups, on the other hand, are used to dealing with all sorts of messed up, uncertain situations. They're trained to avoid detection and to live on what's available. Additionally, their leadership is used to making difficult decisions with unclear data available, and they'll likely get organized and moving quicker than the rest of the conventional military. Unfortunately, it's not like there are a ton of these units running around.

Don't count on your military. At first their first priority won't be to save you, and by the time they figure out what's going on, most of the military will be gone, and you'll probably be pretty well screwed already.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:57 am


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D_Marx
A great idea would be to locate the nearest military base and regroup with the troops. They are much more skilled in tactical situations than I will ever be. They organize on a larger scale, have the back up technology, and have the firepower.

Consider yourself recruited if you choose to go, though.

Or shot. You assume theyll welcome you with open arms. In the beginning theyll have no frigging clue as to how its spread and will likely shoot on site.


but thats if your lucky. it could be that the nearest base is blood bath city because everyone else had the same idea and people were infected and the ripple effect ensued

True, I'm thinking like a human being, not a soldier, but their first instinct would be to find each other, and then survivors. Containment would probably be their next plan, and if you don't transform then you're safe. Blood samples are important, too, especially if they have a doctor or scientist around.

true. but in a time of crisis when every person is at their worst would you really want to trust your life to hundreds that you dont know?

It's pretty much what we do already. It's just that now we're all armed and scared or in a high tension situation. ^_~

I don't know about Max Brooks' WWZ novel. Sure, it puts a lot of perspective on the military branch but what humans do versus soldiers who are trained to protect.

Lets not consult Maxy with our every whim and go with our guts on this one. I, for one, wouldn't take everything he says as fact. It's a work of fiction.

The military would probably nuke the larger cities if they had the capabilities, but not until a search and rescue--no matter how miniscule the chance of survival. There's some idiot who'd put the uniform to good use towards the benefit of helping survivors.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:12 pm


D_Marx
It's pretty much what we do already. It's just that now we're all armed and scared or in a high tension situation. ^_~

I don't know about Max Brooks' WWZ novel. Sure, it puts a lot of perspective on the military branch but what humans do versus soldiers who are trained to protect.

Lets not consult Maxy with our every whim and go with our guts on this one. I, for one, wouldn't take everything he says as fact. It's a work of fiction.

The military would probably nuke the larger cities if they had the capabilities, but not until a search and rescue--no matter how miniscule the chance of survival. There's some idiot who'd put the uniform to good use towards the benefit of helping survivors.


Most of my post was actually speaking from personal experience, having served in the United States Navy for six years, and having been stationed at Army and Navy bases. I know how they do things.
Having served in the military, I can tell you, I wasn't trained to protect anyone. In fact, I was trained to look at people I didn't know with suspicion. I'm looking for it now, but there was a series of rules I had to learn about standing watch in boot camp; one of them had to do with challenging anyone approaching my station.
However, you might have better luck with the National Guard. They tend to be more focused on domestic defense.
The things I can tell you with near certainty:
* Commanding Officers tend to be both proactive and paranoid. They will close a base down tight at any sign of emergency.
* The majority (probably around 98%) of military units do not have the term "save" or "protect" in their mission statement. Most of them will view their first priority to be to ensure the continued functioning of their areas of responsibility (the security of the bases, etc). They may take action once things start falling apart to intervene in the areas outside their ownership, but it'll be limited.
* It's highly likely that, as the horror of what's going on sets in, mass desertion will occur as service members rush to save their friends and family.
* Guards set at base gates are not normally armed with anything other than a nightstick. For this reason, I think the contagion has a high probability of entering bases early on. I don't know how long it would take, but those bases not overrun would eventually post guns.
* Many bases also have hospitals that treat both service members and their families. These bases are probably goners.
* Most bases are large, and have little more than a chain-link fence with barbed wire surrounding them. Guards are posted at the gates, and military police (who DO have guns) patrol the fence every once in a while. This is great for stopping individuals who would break in. It's not so great for stopping a horde.
That said, I suspect that, of the branches, both the Army and the Air Force would suffer the worst. The Navy has a standing policy that if a base is under attack, all ships go to general quarters and get underway. I suspect that a great many ships would get away with their basic skeleton crews to run them, but then be unable to help anyone.
I doubt you'd see nuclear discharge. You'd pretty much have to level the entire nation.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:21 pm




Somehow I don't see them acting like that on home turf in the face of zombies. Regardless of what they're taught, they serve one function: Protecting all of us. If they're not doing that, there's no point in having an army or a navy or an air force or a national guard, or police, or firefighters or any of that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:32 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:41 pm


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Somehow I don't see them acting like that on home turf in the face of zombies. Regardless of what they're taught, they serve one function: Protecting all of us. If they're not doing that, there's no point in having an army or a navy or an air force or a national guard, or police, or firefighters or any of that.



That's a separate discussion, but it's the mission of the police, firefighters, and national guard to protect you, the citizen. The mission of the armed forces, on the other hand, is to protect the nation, and there *have* been cases where they've protected the nation from its own citizens.
Don't get me wrong; I *do* think that once they figure out what's going on, the military will do what it can to protect whomever it can, but by that time, most of the military will have been decimated, and the civilian population will be pretty well screwed.
Consider this, though: even if I'm wrong, I don't remember ever passing through a base that had a farm on it. Or an oil field or oil refinery. There are going to be a ton of logistics problems to solve just to make those centers of military power functional.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:01 pm


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Zahwomen
It's easy.
Study the brain.

Why worry about destroying the brain in a quick getaway when a ball-peen hammer pop to the Motor Cortex renders the thing a slab of meat that can't even blink?

Stuck in a tight spot?
Pop it in the back of the head and destroy the Occipital Lobe, blind it while never having to touch the eyes.

Bash it in it's Thalmus Gland, watch as it stops feeling hunger and just stands there.

Carry a strong hammer and study up, it may save you in a close quarter fight for your life.

the thalmus gland thing might work but the disabling the brain wouldn't unless you had a zombie to try it on. In some versions of lore the brain is mutated to make the zombie completely self sufficient. They dont NEED to eat they just feel the need to. but youd have to test it to make sure

Ff attacking specific parts of the brain doesn't work then you aren't dealing with mutation zombies, you're dealing with magic zombies.
In which case you carry a bag of Goofa Dust on you and you be sure to nail it back into it's coffin with a Silver Stake
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:43 pm


Zahwomen
Ff attacking specific parts of the brain doesn't work then you aren't dealing with mutation zombies, you're dealing with magic zombies.
In which case you carry a bag of Goofa Dust on you and you be sure to nail it back into it's coffin with a Silver Stake


Ah, yes, that brings up another point.
There are a few different "types" of zombies that could potentially threaten mankind.

Night of the Living Dead zombies: Origin is unknown. These are the classic, slow-moving, brain-dependent zombies that everyone knows. Dealing with them is mostly centered around the fact that you are faster and smarter than they are.
From a survival point of view, unless you're trying to secure an area, run from them whenever you see them. Fighting them just makes noise and attracts more of them. As long as you keep moving, they're unlikely to be able to catch you.

Evil Dead zombies: Origin is supernatural. In short, you're pretty much screwed. They're intelligent, and possess a variety of strange abilities. They're more interested in torturing and killing you than turning you into one of them, although they'll possess body parts if they think it'll cause you enough suffering, or take you over entirely in order to harass your friends.
Keep fighting. They want to torture you, so the harder you fight, the longer they'll continue on. Did you keep that copy of the Necronomicon handy? You're gonna need it.

Return of the Living Dead zombies: Origin is the chemical Trioxin. You're probably screwed on this one, too. These zombies possess intelligence, although they don't appear to be able to fully use it due to their overpowering hunger. They move fast, possess human strength, and can only be killed by completely destroying their bodies.
You're pretty much hosed. There's no easy way to kill these zombies, and you can't outrun them.

28 Days Later zombies: Origin is the Rage virus. These zombies move quickly, and are vicious, but lack intelligence, and are killed in any way that a normal human would be.
You're in luck! Find some full-body coverage, hunker down somewhere, and kill whatever stragglers show up. Wait it out; they'll eventually all starve to death.

Dawn of the Dead remake zombies: Origin is unknown. These zombies move quickly, but are otherwise just like Night of the Living Dead zombies.
You can't outrun these guys. Your best bet is to find some place secure that has food, water, and other supplies you will need, and kill as many as you can every day. With any luck they'll eventually stop showing up. Don't count on it, though.

There are probably others. These are the few I could think of.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:52 pm




Everyone says Evil Dead is zombies, but the impression I got was demons. Maybe in Army of Darkness, the skeletons could be considered zombies I guess. In the sense that they are reanimated bodies, yes they're zombies. But it's not so much the body doing anything as it is the demon controlling the body.

ROTD zombies: No one ever tried completely destroying the brain in those movies, most they did was cutting off heads and shooting. What if you smashed the head to a pulp? Easier than complete incineration. UNLESS YOU WANNA RAVE FROM THE GRAVE.

@Zahwomen: Yes, let me waste time trying to find specific parts of the brain to hit on each zombie when there's a whole ******** swarm of them on my tail. Great idea.





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