|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:44 pm
Little Miss Fortune Valheita I wouldn't want you to stop talking to me D: ily2. heart Then I guess it's a good thing you aren't actually a sexist pig... Right? <.< =D heart I'm not sexist in so far as I don't judge by gender. I'll still hold the door open though. >.<;;
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:46 pm
Valheita I'm not sexist in so far as I don't judge by gender. I'll still hold the door open though. >.<;; I hold doors open, too... for men and women. =P
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:58 pm
Little Miss Fortune Valheita I'm not sexist in so far as I don't judge by gender. I'll still hold the door open though. >.<;; I hold doors open, too... for men and women. =P Same. Of course, most doors at uni are electronic now, so you don't need to hold them open ._.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:59 pm
Valheita Little Miss Fortune I hold doors open, too... for men and women. =P Same. Of course, most doors at uni are electronic now, so you don't need to hold them open ._. My school's doors have those buttons with the wheel chairs on them so they'll open themselves, but they take forever. xp
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:49 pm
Valheita In an ideal world, where everyone was intelligent and used protection, sure. It's unfair to get paid less than someone else because you're fertile. In that same said world there would end up being no people xd
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:08 pm
Solnya Valheita In an ideal world, where everyone was intelligent and used protection, sure. It's unfair to get paid less than someone else because you're fertile. In that same said world there would end up being no people xd There's too many of us anyway.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:23 am
Srs response, GO!
Ahem. Women have their place in the work force. So do men.
Women can use emotion to greater effect than men; men can use physical strength to greater effect than women. Now, there are girly men and buff women... //switch roles, maybe
Now if I was a guy, and I knocked a chick up, I'd want my workplace to pay me three months grief pay for the upcoming 18-plus-year-obligation. gonk
Also, I suck at debating, but this was too lulzy to pass up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:56 am
Even so, is it fair to give women who have no intention on getting pregnant lower pay?
You cannot guess who is going to or not, so it is unequal protection under the US constitution to discriminate based upon that fact.
It's obviously different if your female worker is pregnant or has kids she has to take off to raise, that justifies pay cuts and such.
but should I make less for doing the same work as a man just because I have the organs to get pregnant?
So far, the answer is yes, which is why I just say I'm a man like women used to do ages ago.
I'm just throwing this out there.
Gender is a suspect class for discrimination, meaning it is like race, you cannot discriminate based on race in government and any institution which gets any benefits from government, it is prohibited by law.
but also on a side note, the government and some private sectors is trying to fix the wage gap using affirmative action and such.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:41 am
And yes, women in the military is different and I see how that is reason to be discriminatory.
not all women are up to physical par with a fit man, and also having women in a closed space in places like ships and camps where you have to share bathrooms and sleeping quarters and all is a decent reason to be less inclusive of women on submarines or whatnot.
the US military does allow women on certain ships if it's big enough though, and in certain combat situations.
I think it is fair to be much more choosey when looking at female soldiers to recrewt than men, but to just say all women are incapable of it doesn't seem logical to me.
I discourage negative type gender roles, what can I say? xd
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:04 am
EmperorZensekai Even so, is it fair to give women who have no intention on getting pregnant lower pay? You cannot guess who is going to or not, so it is unequal protection under the US constitution to discriminate based upon that fact. It's obviously different if your female worker is pregnant or has kids she has to take off to raise, that justifies pay cuts and such. but should I make less for doing the same work as a man just because I have the organs to get pregnant? So far, the answer is yes, which is why I just say I'm a man like women used to do ages ago. I'm just throwing this out there. Gender is a suspect class for discrimination, meaning it is like race, you cannot discriminate based on race in government and any institution which gets any benefits from government, it is prohibited by law. but also on a side note, the government and some private sectors is trying to fix the wage gap using affirmative action and such. I'm not saying that the reason the wage gap exists -is- because of maternity leave. It's a hypothetical. It's more likely that it's just because females are still looked down upon in society, despite the fact that that's changing. Or the average is biased in favour of males because of all the incredibly rich males in the world, concealing the fact that most of us don't earn all that much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:49 am
Oh alright, I misread your post then.
That's pretty much been my conclusion too. As well as career breaks for raising kids that keeps older women from being around long enough for promotions.
But then there is things like Walmart where they go too far @_@......
I am going to do an experiment eventually, to see if gender makes a difference on Gaia.... or maybe gender bendering is what makes a difference in pay.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:50 pm
EmperorZensekai Oh alright, I misread your post then. That's pretty much been my conclusion too. As well as career breaks for raising kids that keeps older women from being around long enough for promotions. But then there is things like Walmart where they go too far @_@...... I am going to do an experiment eventually, to see if gender makes a difference on Gaia.... or maybe gender bendering is what makes a difference in pay. It'll be interesting to see the results. 3nodding
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:53 am
Quote: Secondly, females should not be employed in the military. It's a known fact that males instinctively protect females. It's part of survival of the species. This means that a female team member can jeopardize an entire team's safety. This doesn't even address the fact that males are physically stronger than females on average, and have a higher peak strength than females.
And since when have combat positions been the only jobs in the military? o.O I am strongly considering joining the Air Force- but I'm sure as heck not flying. Designing the planes would be... considerably more likely. Seeing how my vision disqualifies me from being a pilot or navigator anyhow.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:22 pm
Valheita Secondly, females should not be employed in the military. It's a known fact that males instinctively protect females. It's part of survival of the species. This means that a female team member can jeopardize an entire team's safety. This doesn't even address the fact that males are physically stronger than females on average, and have a higher peak strength than females. Men are encouraged to form strong friendships (and they do) in the military for that very reason. You are going to fight harder and better to protect your friends. That isn't putting the squad at risk - it's helping them out. Plus, women in the military are willing to rip your balls off if you so much as suggest that they are the weaker sex. With their rough attitude, men in the military are less likely to see them as "soft" and "fragile." Males ARE stronger than females, but then there are men that are stronger than other men - so is it only that the super-elite end up getting in the military? A military with five men isn't much of an army. In the army there are base standards for strength, speed, and endurance. If those are met, then a person can continue on in their training. Women can meet those standards, perhaps with a little more difficulty, but they can still meet them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:26 pm
Tabihito Quote: Secondly, females should not be employed in the military. It's a known fact that males instinctively protect females. It's part of survival of the species. This means that a female team member can jeopardize an entire team's safety. This doesn't even address the fact that males are physically stronger than females on average, and have a higher peak strength than females.
And since when have combat positions been the only jobs in the military? o.O I am strongly considering joining the Air Force- but I'm sure as heck not flying. Designing the planes would be... considerably more likely. Seeing how my vision disqualifies me from being a pilot or navigator anyhow.
That's a fair point. Engineers, logistics and whatnot. CleoSombra Men are encouraged to form strong friendships (and they do) in the military for that very reason. You are going to fight harder and better to protect your friends. That isn't putting the squad at risk - it's helping them out. Plus, women in the military are willing to rip your balls off if you so much as suggest that they are the weaker sex. With their rough attitude, men in the military are less likely to see them as "soft" and "fragile." Males ARE stronger than females, but then there are men that are stronger than other men - so is it only that the super-elite end up getting in the military? A military with five men isn't much of an army. In the army there are base standards for strength, speed, and endurance. If those are met, then a person can continue on in their training. Women can meet those standards, perhaps with a little more difficulty, but they can still meet them. There's a difference between fighting alongside friends and comrades in arms, than the instinctive need to protect the female. I would imagine. There are women everywhere that do it. We call them feminists. I'm not saying that females can't reach the level strength required by the military. I'm saying it disadvantages them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
