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MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:29 pm


Rotting Gnarl
My Hollow
MegaTherion777
hollow and trevor - i dont think ash was meaning to imply that all those who choose to abstain dislike the idea of sex ed in schools. i believe he was targeting people like good old ronnie raygun, our late, esteemed former president, who was of the opinion that abstinence should be the only method taught in schools.


.........................Duh. I felt like making a point.

And he says WE take HIM too seriously. xp
no no no. YOU take me too seriously. hollow usually gets me. talk2hand
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:43 am


MegaTherion777
Rotting Gnarl
My Hollow
MegaTherion777
hollow and trevor - i dont think ash was meaning to imply that all those who choose to abstain dislike the idea of sex ed in schools. i believe he was targeting people like good old ronnie raygun, our late, esteemed former president, who was of the opinion that abstinence should be the only method taught in schools.


.........................Duh. I felt like making a point.

And he says WE take HIM too seriously. xp
no no no. YOU take me too seriously. hollow usually gets me. talk2hand

Well, you said to take everything as sarcasm, so this means... Hollow DOESN'T get you?

Rotting Gnarl


Mopsicle

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:28 am


Beer should be 16-18 and up in America,
Liquor 21 +


Weed should be legal, there's really nothing wrong with it. The only thing wrong are the absentminded abusers and America's corrupted pop-culture.
^but it should only be 16-18+ who can use it


driving should be 18 +
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:55 am


Unless your name is Smokey and you are a Bus driver. Because then your weed usage will result in the death of small children.

My Hollow
Captain


Dark_Mana

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:30 pm


Weed and alcohol both destroy braincells so I don't know why people want to justify weed as 'the safer alternative', because obviously it's not. rolleyes
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:48 pm


Dark_Mana
Weed and alcohol both destroy braincells so I don't know why people want to justify weed as 'the safer alternative', because obviously it's not. rolleyes


Sure it both impairs, but I personally feel in a safer state if I'm high than if I'm drunk. I mean, I can guarantee you that I would NEVER be able to drive/snowboard drunk what so ever, but I know I can snowboard high and probably drive high...but I definitely wouldn't

Although it DOES depend on the strain of cannibis, because some is literally limb-impairing. Plus, alcohol can damage the brain much quicker and more severely...and some how it's legal -.- It's also more mentally-addicting than weed.

I could understand it being illegal if it was physically addictive.


I'm just being a brat since I just got suspended for all of it razz





emo

Mopsicle


Dark_Mana

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:55 pm


Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:15 pm


Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes

I love you. You and your words.

My Hollow
Captain


Dark_Mana

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:20 pm


My Hollow
I love you. You and your words.
Just laying down some facts, ma'am. 3nodding

ILU2!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:30 pm


Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes



Weed and alcohol are both impossible to be physically addicted to, unlike other drugs such as cocaine, heroine, etc. However, they both can be mentally addictive, i.e. if you let your mind take control, it can control you. Sure they both can harm you in the long run, but I feel that in my experiences (Family, friends, etc) alcohol grabs people much more firmly than weed. I don't know why exactly, but I would assume because alcohol has more of an effect on your judgment as opposed to weed. It's a common false notion thinking that weed impairs judgement. That's just one way to scare people away from doing it.

I agree with you, however. My point is that weed and alcohol are relatively the same, and they should both have the same set of rights/laws etc.

Especially since people drink to reduce stress. I smoke to reduce stress, and at the start of this year I started to wake and bake and I can tell you that all my grades increased by atleast a full letter ninja

I don't see how alcohol is legal when cannabis isn't

Mopsicle


Digital Malevolence
Vice Captain

Greedy Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:40 pm


Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes
I know why its illegal in the U.S, because the government makes too much money off it for them to make it legal. Most of the marijuana brought to the States is by the government. The gov. really don't give a s**t if its good for us, they just care about profit.

My actual thoughts on this matter is weed should be legal, and alcohol should be legal at 18+. If marijuana was legal there would be a much lower draw to it, I mean, most kids these days only start doing it because its not allowed, same is with alcohol. I'm not saying either one is good for you but to be honest that really doesn't matter because people are going to do it either way, and I think legalizing weed would cut down the usage by younger generations, not at first of coarse but after a few years when it gets to be old news and they move to something new.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:42 pm


Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes



Also, it's legal in many other places. Here's a map of legality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-cannabis-laws.png


And, correct me if I'm wrong, but smoking/the use of marijuana has been around for longer than alcohol, and was being used by many of today's modern civilizations, and is still used frequently by many others. I think it's fair to also compare cannabis to peyote, and to realize that it has been used a lot. There's no negative side of marijuana thats not on the same page as alcohol, and in fact, I'm pretty positive that if anyone were to add up the negatives and positives of both, cannabis would have many more positives than negatives. There hasn't been a recorded deaths by the use of marijuana. I was told (I don't know if this is fact or not, but it was my philosophy teacher) that people who only smoke marijuana (i.e. NO tobacco at all) don't get lung cancer, I tried looking for articles/obituary on death's caused by weed and I couldn't find any (And I mean the effects it has on people, not the stupid things an idiot might do high and be the star of the Darwin Awards, but the actual effects on the body). Compare that to alcohol, and the difference should be clear. It's a little unbalanced if you ask me...

Mopsicle


Mopsicle

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:46 pm


Digital Malevolence
Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes
I know why its illegal in the U.S, because the government makes too much money off it for them to make it legal. Most of the marijuana brought to the States is by the government. The gov. really don't give a s**t if its good for us, they just care about profit.

My actual thoughts on this matter is weed should be legal, and alcohol should be legal at 18+. If marijuana was legal there would be a much lower draw to it, I mean, most kids these days only start doing it because its not allowed, same is with alcohol. I'm not saying either one is good for you but to be honest that really doesn't matter because people are going to do it either way, and I think legalizing weed would cut down the usage by younger generations, not at first of coarse but after a few years when it gets to be old news and they move to something new.


/agreed

Except that people always say alcohol should be 18. I wouldn't condone that if I had the chance, because there are some very strong alcohol that can damage the brain severely on young adults. Hard liquor/alcohol should be 21 +, and beer lager etc should be 18. I think Germany is like that, they raised beer from 16 to 18, same with some northern european countries.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:47 pm


Mopsicle
Digital Malevolence
Dark_Mana
Weed can be as harmful as alcohol. It just depends on how much you use it. If you get high half a dozen times a day everyday (like this one guy I knew) I think that's more harmful than getting drunk once a week. And you get just as addicted to weed as to alcohol. The more you use it the more you need for your next fix, no denying that. And I mean, why do you think weed's illegal all over the world except Holland? Might be because it's harmful? rolleyes
I know why its illegal in the U.S, because the government makes too much money off it for them to make it legal. Most of the marijuana brought to the States is by the government. The gov. really don't give a s**t if its good for us, they just care about profit.

My actual thoughts on this matter is weed should be legal, and alcohol should be legal at 18+. If marijuana was legal there would be a much lower draw to it, I mean, most kids these days only start doing it because its not allowed, same is with alcohol. I'm not saying either one is good for you but to be honest that really doesn't matter because people are going to do it either way, and I think legalizing weed would cut down the usage by younger generations, not at first of coarse but after a few years when it gets to be old news and they move to something new.


/agreed

Except that people always say alcohol should be 18. I wouldn't condone that if I had the chance, because there are some very strong alcohol that can damage the brain severely on young adults. Hard liquor/alcohol should be 21 +, and beer lager etc should be 18. I think Germany is like that, they raised beer from 16 to 18, same with some northern european countries.
Yeah, I actually agree with that too, beer should be 18+ hard alcohol 21+.

Digital Malevolence
Vice Captain

Greedy Bloodsucker


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:10 pm


mop - THC itself actually retards the growth of cancer cells, thus vaporizing or ingesting it as a brownie/tea will not give you cancer. however, when you smoke it, there are other carcinogens in the plant that get burned up and can indeed cause cancer.

waking and baking is a terrible idea.

driving while high is a terrible idea.

medical and psychological studies have shown that weed is (in general) less harmful to the physical and mental well-being of a person than either alcohol or tobacco. IN GENERAL. of course, if you smoke weed at the same rate as a heavy smoker (1 or more packs a day...translating to something like 20 joints a day or more - and some people do this) it can actually do somewhat more harm than tobacco and alcohol.

studies have shown THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) to be effective in the treatment of 220+ medical ailments, from simple things such as influenza, to more complex issues such as recovering from chemotherapy and treatment in cases of HIV/AIDS. if anyone would like to see this research, i'll do my best to find it for you, i believe i have it around here somewhere.

in the end, if both alcohol and tobacco are legal, it doesnt really make sense that weed is illegal. people just need to be raised in the proper context, just as with alcohol. also, just as with tobacco and alcohol, the government could regulate it for safety (eliminating the danger of some n00b buying from a dealer they don't know and getting angel-dust laced herb), and they could put hefty taxes on it.

marijuana is not physically addictive, though in rare cases, it can become mentally addictive. i am an advocate of drug law reform in general, because most people who are incarcerated for drug possession don't need to be jailed, they need help and rehabilitation. we have overcrowded prisons as it is, and jailing millions of nonviolent offenders who would better be served by rehab is just silly

digi - i see you buy into the CIA bake-sale conspiracy theory. i have heard this before, and done a little bit of research, but you're confusing your drugs. it is narcotic that the CIA supposedly brings in - cocaine, opiates, etc. much bigger profit margin, and people can't grow their own, so the government (in theory) would have nearly total control of all narcotics coming into the country.
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