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Callowyn of Calypso

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:08 pm


lil_gene
Sarasan
Yeah.. Y'know what's weird about fighting dogs? The day before their owners set them on another dog in the ring, alot of them will feed their dogs gunpowder in their normal food. It'll irritate their stomachs and make them ferocious.


the owners are complete jerks..we sould feen them gun powder light a stick on fire and poke there belly buttons. or better yet shove it up their asses..they make me soo mad to make a dog do that when it could be happy wuth a loving family, or even helping someone.

LOL. There are many people I would like to do that to. Animal abusers are at the top of that list, and for me, feeding them gunpowder sounds like animal abuse to me.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:44 am


InfinitysDaughter
Sarasan
Hate to be contrary InfinitysDaughter, but yes, Pits are biologically mean. They're usually bred either for looks (s they'll probably be imbred and retarded) or for fighting. Pit Bulls were meant when they were first "designed" to be fighting dogs. They bred the dogs they wanted to have a mean disposition and be vicious fighters. It's a terrible thing, but every "pedigree" breed was kept alive in early civilization to have a purpose. These dogs' purpose was to fight invaders and enemies. A history of the pit bull, while somewhat vague, can be found here:

The history of Pit Bulls ad their ancestors


I've actualy been around a Pitt that were orignialy bread for the dog fighting rings. A friend of mine adopted him off the street. He is the sweetest dog I've ever seen. Dogs who were bred to be fighters or protectors are actualy not mean, just overly protective. No dog is biologicaly mean. It may seem that way but if you work with them enough and make them see that your not gona hurt them then they will be the best dogs ever.

[EDIT] Just to quote the artical you linked, "capable of extreme ferociousness but unwavering loyalty and gentleness towards humans"


I am so happy someone out there thinks the same way I do on dog breeds. No real dog is [biologically bred] to fight another dog. They may have been created from certain pairings to get a specific look and characteristics for a good fighter, but they don't pop out of their mother's womb and turn on their brothers and sisters out of instinct to rip their organs out. Owners who want to properly love and care for those types of breeds will be rewarded with a sweet, good-natured pooch. It's just a sad thing to see people jump on the breed just because one owner (out of countless many) decided to be a jerk and train the dog to kill or fight. But sure, I've heard of those rare occurances where you breed a mean dog with another mean dog, and voila! We have another mean dog.. but those are rare cases. Most times dog breeders get disappointed to breed two perfect fighters and get a pup who's afraid of butterflies. That's when you hear of those breeders who feed the dogs gun powder for an effect, beat them five times daily with sticks or objects to anger them, or leave wild animals such as raccoons or feral cats for them to rip apart for practice. All dogs are capable of being wonderful souls and all dogs are capable of being crazed fighters.

But which sounds more interesting in the news media? A child attacked by a Pomeranian or a child attacked by a muscular Doberman Pinscher? Hmmm.. Fear sells these days..

As for the topic of euthanasia, do it if the animal is seriously in pain, has given up on living, has come to terms with its upcoming death, or is seriously beyond the normal living age and cannot function normally or at a minimum level anymore. My boyfriend's cat was so old she couldn't do anything anymore. She couldn't make it to the litterbox to pee or whatnot, she couldn't move around as much, and one day she completely stopped eating -- which was the day she was finally put down. Then my boyfriend had a dog, previous to this cat, get put down because she was having violent seizures out of nowhere (for the first time ever) and the doctors couldn't provide any solutions or even what the problem was. It is a humane and fair thing to do when it is in the interest of the animal. If you're a family of six with other pets, I understand, but if your Swiss bank account has enough to cover the treatments for your dog and your family until even the kids have grown old and died, what's your problem?

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MonkeysThrowTheirPoo

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:06 pm


I am for putting animals to sleep with good reason. Its sort of like the DNR for people. As for aggressive animals? My father brought home a boxer from boxer rescue and he would become violent when we would leave the house. He nipped me once and I've seen him go ape shight on a lease before too. If he had harmed any one close to me I would have been the first one to put a bullet in him. Before you look at me as a bad person I am all for capital punishment and have no problems living by the same rules with people.
-MTTP ninja
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:38 pm


I am all for euthanasia when the animal is extremely old or extremely sick. Sometimes it is just the kindest thing to do for them. For instance, when I worked at a boarding kennel, there was a dog named Cebaka that boarded occasionally... She was horrible. Fourteen years old, covered in mange, had no teeth, filled with tumors... Some of her tumors even burst while she boarded. She couldn't stand up at all, not even if we helped her, so we had to just lie her on blankets and clean her up every time she relieved herself. She was suffering horribly, but her mom "just couldn't kill her". So she had to drag on and on until she finally died, pain-filled and miserable. Euthanasia would have been a mercy in her case.

But for euthanising dogs because of breed, as mentioned earlier? That is sick and wrong. I am VERY strongly against breed discrimination.

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SangoTaijiya88

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:01 pm


I feel that if your animal has a good quality of life, eats, and is comfortable, then no it is not right. I had to put my rat to sleep a few months back, but he had a massive tumor on his stomach that was constently being cut open and dragged, and he wasnt eatting as much as he should, so I felt it would be best. I gave him a special treat before hand, lots of meat and some ice cream and stayed with him durring the whole thing. it was hard on me, but I felt i needed to do it
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:27 pm


Something I was thinking about is what can be done? Stateing a problem and finding that it is not in line with our current morals is not enough. What can be done to fix the problem? Just stopping it creates other problems such as....

-Over full shelters causeing animals that need shelter to be denied
-Massive expenses to care for the animals causeing shelters to go bankrupt
-More strays

What are some solutions you guys can think of to this problem? Personally I am at a total loss of logical alternatives.
-MTTP ninja

MonkeysThrowTheirPoo


[ April.Ericsson ]

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:45 am


it does not hurt the animal at all, but it is sad. If the animal is sick or in serious pain, then putting it to sleep is a good thing. If it is put the sleep just because the owner doesn't want to keep it any more, it is wrong.

if an animal is killed just because of its breed, that is definately wrong. i mean you can't choose who you are, and neither can they. so it's not fair. just because it ended up that the animal is a certain breed, it doesn't make it right to kill it.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:35 pm


If an animal is very sick or is sick because of its age, it should be put down. This way, they're put out of their suffering. It's kinda like if you were in alot of pain, and had no chance in recovering and were going to die because of it, most people would want that same ending for themselves. I think its a very humane way of putting it out of its misery. I'm sure if the animals could, they would tell you, "Thank you for not letting me suffer."

CaptainCheerleaderInsano


Ms. Trendie

PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:41 am


If your cat is just old and in no pain then don't have it put down. I never really have liked putting animals down. I don't think I could ever have it done to my dog unless he was in severe pain.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:17 am


I say that... if it gets to the point where a human being would no longer want to live in that condition, then euthanasia can come into play.

As for euthanizing all pitbulls... I'm not certain if that's true. If so, it isn't in every state or city. The rule is usually that they put down pitbulls that have been believed to be fighting dogs. Even if they respect humans, they have been instilled with an aggression toward other dogs that is nearly impossible to get rid of, and that can be very dangerous. It's no fault of theirs, it's how they were raised, but it's not something that shelters can legally adopt a dog out with.

And not all dogs that have been in the fighting business are fighting dogs, mind you. I've seen bait dogs be adopted on shows before. They are not trained to fight, but are instead bound up and essentially torn apart by the fighting dogs as training. They are typically non-aggressive.

I have had some terrible experience with euthanasia, some of which I will never forgive people for, so doing it without proper cause is something I detest.


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Miss Randa

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:19 am


At the vet office I work at we just had to put down this Yellow Lab named Tucker. Tucker was such a nice dog but started to get to be extremely aggresive. He was a bite case waiting to happen.

I know of a vet office that used to use a vacume room to suck out all the air to put animals down.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:22 am


Thy suffocate them? That doesnt' seem humane to me.

Lupine Pyrefly


Miss Randa

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:40 am


Lupine Pyrefly
Thy suffocate them? That doesnt' seem humane to me.


They weren't humane people. D:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:06 pm


I view euthanasia as a peaceful and humane way to end a lifetime of suffering. However, I disagree with euthanizing animals due to people not being able to afford treatment that would save an animal from death, or euthanizing an animal due to it not fitting into a family. There are so many options : ( It really should be a last resort.

AmberBamber


dark_kitten_156

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:44 pm


your mouses eye popped out!? eek
*points to post*
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