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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:04 am


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:19 am


-kAMEkAZE-v
that isnt true. a good arcane mage with the same gear as a frost mage will get trucked by the arcane one.

I pvp an awful lot, and despite arcane mages ripping through frost mages simply by hitting slow, a well played frost mage can beat EVERY other class in the game with few problems.

Arcane mages have terrible survivability, being nuked by melee classes in seconds, frost have far superior kiting abilities against melee classes.

So basically, arcane mages are good against frost mages, frost mages are good against everything else.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:20 am


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i know and i don't even have a mage.

frostfire talents give it +150% raw crit damage bonus (meaning crits hit for 2.25 times normal damage).

crit always wins out in situations where it is actually giving you pretty much extra spell damage just for critting. more crit chance, more overall damage no matter what.

Not to mention hot streak is reliant on crit chance. So the more you pump into crit, the more procs you get and your dps shoots up. razz
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:48 am


/sigh


Quote:

Q: How does it interact with all those crit modifiers?
A: When specced 5/5 Ignite 5/5 Burnout 3/3 Ice Shards FFB does 315% crit damage. The formula to explain this is:

(1 + (0.5 * (1 + 1.0 Ice Shards + 0.5 Burnout))) * 1.4 Ignite = 3.15

Q: Since FFB is such a high crit damage bonus spell, does that mean Crit is better than Hit now? Better than Spell Power? Better than Haste?
A: Depends on your current stats. I highly suggest using a TheoryCrafting tool to isolate what will benefit you the most. Rawr, the TCoM, and Magegraf all generally accurately depict FFB damage output.

Hit
- Not ever, hit is still above and beyond everything else until you cap it.

Spell Power
- Not for a very long time unless your crit chance is obscenely low

Haste
- This one is a lot closer than the others, but the relative balance of the two shift back and forth as you add and remove gear. It is HIGHLY recommended you use a TC tool to make these decisions, there is no clear cut rule for FFB.


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661303549&sid=1

AceHigh


Neltharion4

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:55 pm


just found out what you should pump for each spec
Arcane=hit and spellpower
Fire=hit and crit
Frost=hit and haste

arcane needs spellpower to hit harder to compensate for high mana cost
fire needs crit to compensate for long caste time
frost needs haste to compensate for lower damage output
--->my robes for lvl 80 frost
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:30 pm


Duo__Maxwell
-kAMEkAZE-v
that isnt true. a good arcane mage with the same gear as a frost mage will get trucked by the arcane one.

I pvp an awful lot, and despite arcane mages ripping through frost mages simply by hitting slow, a well played frost mage can beat EVERY other class in the game with few problems.

Arcane mages have terrible survivability, being nuked by melee classes in seconds, frost have far superior kiting abilities against melee classes.

So basically, arcane mages are good against frost mages, frost mages are good against everything else.

Arcane mages survivability is not that bad. A team of 3 people, with an arcane mage, druid/druid, trucked a whole field of people.

now that was private server, frost mages might be different, but frost mages aren't all that good, now arcane/frost are good. as you have icy veins, i mean, how hard is it to be a rogue? warriors aren't even a threat to me. Mages get ******** by druids, well, feral ones. xD

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Neltharion4

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:29 pm


i just hit 80 yesterday and respecced to FFB and im ripping everything up biggrin im not even geared yet and im getting 2800 DPS easy. my favorite spell by far is living bomb. yesterday i 2 shot a 77 DK. they were mid-flight and i let off a pyroblast, laid off a living bomb, and watched as they went a bit further, exploded, and fell dead. it was histarical xd
FYI, a funny thing is that living bomb dismounts people when it goes off, sending them falling to their deaths biggrin
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:39 am


Perosnally I am, always have been, and always will be, a frost mage, a fun spec as frost to Screw with ANY caster class including Arc mages is to take 7 points and throw em in Arcane for the 80 points of resist, locks have a hard time fearing me XD

7/0/64 is my spec ^^

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