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Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 pm


My Hollow
Gravechylde
My Hollow
Gravechylde

As for Funeral, I said to a lesser extent, because it is a progression from Death/Doom which is a progression from Death. It does lose most of it's Death roots, but it only has minor (if any) influence from Trad. Doom. Yes, it is doomy as in the word "doom", but the music itself doesn't have too much in common with the sound that "doom metal" has.

As for origins, I don't see Funeral as evolving from Doom Metal, it does have the aesthetics of Doom Metal, slow tempo, dark atmosphere, but the music itself sounds significantly different from Doom Metal. And saying that it isn't doom, isn't denying the origins, Thrash Metal has Hardcore as an origin, but it's metal not Hardcore, and I've never seen anyone deny that Thrash did get a lot from Hardcore.


I just have a personal issue denying the fact that Funeral isn't "doom". Look at some of the other sub genres, they are seemingly less doom than funeral.

I'm not trying to say that there's no Doom in it, or that it isn't influenced by Doom. I'm just saying that the foundation of the genre is not that of Doom Metal.

Do you mean Trad doom by Doom metal?

Yes and No. Yes because regular plain Doom is referred to as Trad., but no because it doesn't have to be 100% True Doom to be considered Doom. For example, Sleep, they are not true doom, but calling them doom is not wrong.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:41 am


I agree with Grave when he says that death/doom and funeral doom are more rooted in death metal than doom. Of course there is that "doomy" sound, but it is much more firmly rooted to death metal. Listen to Winter or Paradise Lost's first album and then listen to something like Autopsy's Mental Funeral or Asphyx's The Rack. It sounds pretty obvious to me that death/doom was a natural progression from death metal, taking death metal to another extreme: a slower tempo, and then funeral doom taking that extreme to another level. There's no denying that doom may have had some influence on some bands, but I believe it's all a natural progression stemming from death metal and doesn't have as much to do with doom metal.

The War Starter


Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:53 am


The War Starter
I agree with Grave when he says that death/doom and funeral doom are more rooted in death metal than doom. Of course there is that "doomy" sound, but it is much more firmly rooted to death metal. Listen to Winter or Paradise Lost's first album and then listen to something like Autopsy's Mental Funeral or Asphyx's The Rack. It sounds pretty obvious to me that death/doom was a natural progression from death metal, taking death metal to another extreme: a slower tempo, and then funeral doom taking that extreme to another level. There's no denying that doom may have had some influence on some bands, but I believe it's all a natural progression stemming from death metal and doesn't have as much to do with doom metal.

Yeah, I remember listening to early Paradise Lost for the first time. The whole time I was just thinking "Umm.......How is this Doom?".
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:18 am


howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

MegaTherion777


Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:21 am


MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:23 am


Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
EXACTLY!!! IT TOTALLY WORKS!!1! scream

MegaTherion777


Divinus Cruor

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:39 am


MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
EXACTLY!!! IT TOTALLY WORKS!!1! scream
*pummel* stressed
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:56 am


Divinus Cruor
MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
EXACTLY!!! IT TOTALLY WORKS!!1! scream
*pummel* stressed
*pummels back*

MegaTherion777


Divinus Cruor

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:04 am


MegaTherion777
Divinus Cruor
MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
EXACTLY!!! IT TOTALLY WORKS!!1! scream
*pummel* stressed
*pummels back*
cry
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:46 am


MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes
EXACTLY!!! IT TOTALLY WORKS!!1! scream

xd

Gravechylde
Vice Captain


Battousai Akuma

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:47 am


Wow interesting thread here. From reading here I guess I see where people say that Funeral can be spawned from Death more so than Doom I guess.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:00 pm


Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes


eek You have? eek

My Hollow
Captain


Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:41 pm


My Hollow
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes


eek You have? eek

rofl
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:55 pm


My Hollow
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes


eek You have? eek
did grave not tell you he was a britney fanboy?

MegaTherion777


Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:53 pm


MegaTherion777
My Hollow
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
howbout we just call it music? problem solved.

Yeah, so I've been listening to Britney Spears lately, I would like more music.
Here have some Cannibal Corpse it's music too.

rolleyes


eek You have? eek
did grave not tell you he was a britney fanboy?

rolleyes
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