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Yes, I think the animals are pretty well controlled. I wonder though... without the meat industry, would cows go extinct? What would we do, let them loose in a forest? That would be awkward.

Conren: You've never heard of when humans kill the predators in an area because they're afraid of them, and it results in a population boom of the prey? As for farms, lol, you think that, if we made it illegal to eat animals, farmers would keep their animals? No. They'd turn them loose, assuming just slaughtering them and dumping them in a pit were also illegal. They'd have no reason to keep them, except possibly cows for milk and chickens for eggs, but even then, I'd suspect hardcore vegans want those illegal too.

@Well, everyone: Do what you like. I'm not saying that cats are equal to human beings by any means; Obviously, I just said I'm a meat eater. But when I take care of a pet, I'm welcoming it into my family. And you don't. Neuter. Family. You do what you like, I wasn't saying it should be illegal to neuter your pets, I'm just saying I'm not going to do it. And I was just pointing it out as supportive evidence of my being against animal cruelty, as it's an unusual thing for someone to be against neutering. Did -not- realize it was going to start a s**t-fit about how I should neuter and spay my pets. xd

Well my hiatus lasted a long time xd

Divine, the problem is a lot of vegans don't like the conditions that cows live in, and milk cows tend to live in worse conditions than meat cows. It would be more like saying a compromise to abortion, on a moral level, is, "Well we won't kill them but we will exploit them for manual labor and keep them in horrible living conditions." It's still inhumane.

I think you'd be right for most vegans but I've had a few in the Veggie guild get up in arms with vegetarians. There was one recently that said something as absurd as a pescovegetarian (one who eats fish) might be closer to a "strict" vegetarian (vegan) than an ovo-lacto vegetarian! (eats eggs and drinks milk)

I tried to draw the distinct line between murder and a co-dependant relationship such as humane organic farming but the response I received was "exploitation is still exploitation".

People like that will never be pleased. :/

I lol'd at this mental image. I dunno...free pet cows for everyone! I'd teach it to use my garden as a litter box. whee I'd rather have pigs, though. I hear they're almost like dogs. (Except not as furry.)

Srsly, though, when you consider how much effort is put into breeding livestock, they'd die out pretty quickly.

Oh noes, our secret plan. xd

Maybe there can be a program that can train cows to be ready for the wild in a number of generations. Bulls are getting there, they are rather aggressive and can provide good protection for the cows.

Not necessarily. As I said before, some farmers are using the cow's manure as another source of engery which can help save them money.

Who says cows cause pollution? They make energy! mrgreen

Anyways, there is always going to be someone that is unhappy, you can kill animals in a humane why but people with still fight to stop eating meat. You can let animals live and people will dislike what people use milk and eggs. You can ban meat and people like to eat it. You can't please everyone.

I don't need to see it first hand to know and imagine what goes on in a slaughterhous. After all the name speaks for itself so it's hard not imagine what goes on.

I know a few things that goes on, some inhumane but it is probably too grahpic so I won't say. One has to do with kosher meat and the process making it kosher.