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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:24 pm


I honestly think Tennant is staying on...(I hope I hope I hope I hope). Davies has said in the Confidentials that something from EVERY episode this season is going to tie in to these finales, and I think the thing from The Doctor's Daughter is going to be the "regenerating without regenerating."
She breathed out some gold dust, and popped back up to go do all that running. She is, in essence, the Doctor, made from him alone. Maybe it'll even be explained. But the hand and the universe being out of sync with the Medusa Cascade will probably have a hand in it somewhere.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:31 pm


I screamed when I heard "the drums" I thought I was going mad Im so glad I am not.
Also for sure the hand has some play otherwise it would have been out of shot. But I mean the medusa cascade and the reft they said its delayed 1 second. 1 sec is all it would have took for jack to blast the dalek for the doctor not to have been shot ect.... But I dont know >_< Plus sarah jane and the torchwood team going to die?? I think not the BBC make to much so they will have to save them also right. 4laugh

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:51 pm


Whoa! Extremely stressing episode! I'm not one that usually gets very riled up about much of anything, but this whole episode had me tense to the very end, and crying through nearly all of it! It was so intense, that I didn't even realize that a whole hour had gone by, and the ending took me by complete surprise. Ack!

Wait, why is Martha in New York? Something to do with Daleks in Manhattan? I know she said she got a promotion, but why does that mean she goes there to work on a project having to do with the Sontorans?

Why didn't the TARDIS get transported along with the earth?

Jack! Ianto! Gwen! Where are Owen and Tosh? Gwen said something about them going out fighting "Like Owen. Like Tosh." WTF? And why is Gwen still with Rhys after her affair with Owen? (I've only seen about half of the first season of Torchwood.)

Sarah Jane! Who's the kid? Her son? Come again? Guess I should have watched SJA. Ah, well.

Bernard Cirbbins! I love him! He's so awesome! Can he be my grandad? Wait, don't protect Sylvia, she's as bad as them! Wilf is a genius! He sees the Daleks one time, and only sort of, and he figures out that a paint gun is his best weapon against them. How brilliant is that? And, he's a great shot!

ROOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE! GO GET 'EM ROSE! GOOD GIRL! Plus also, Rose has a really big gun! Sweet! I loved how she threatened those looters with it. xd

What is AMNN?

Why do the Daleks keep all the humans alive, if they're just going to swoop down and kill them? That doesn't make any sense!

We finally get to see what the Shadow Proclamation is! Yay! Why isn't the Judoon language translated by the TARDIS?

The whole revelations of the Daleks sequence had me bawling. Funny thing is, when I first started watching Doctor Who in 2005, it was with a friend who had grown up watching it and was terrified at the sight of the lonely impotent Dalek in that museum, and I laughed at her for being scared at a little tin salt shaker. Now, after all these years watching Doctor Who, my soul ached at the reactions of all the characters that I've grown to love. The one that confused me, though, was Rose. She didn't really react much at all. Has she known all along that it was the Daleks, or has she just grown so accustomed to this kind of life that she just sucks it up and deals with whatever is thrown at her? She has to have known, since she's got the big Dalek-kililng gun. I wanna know what happened to Rose on her paralell universe!!!!! scream scream scream

Donna has a really good memory to remember some random planet name that a crazy guy was yelling at her in a manic epilogue months ago.

What is the Valliant?

I don't know if it's drums or a heart-beat around Donna, but it's definitely something. It's not the same drum beat that we heard with the Master (which was the same beat as the sub-frequency that Harriet Jones used), but there was the main beat that sounded like a heartbeat AND a quieter, quicker beat underlaying it. Then that woman said that Donna was something new. That to me says that she's not a Timelord, but she is SOMETHING. And the thing about the loss that is yet to come? Eek!

Yay, we finally get to see the Medusa Cascade! Still don't think I understand what it is, though, or how it was hiding all those planets. And what's with the old western music playing while the Doctor and Donna are in the Medusa Cascade?

I love that even at the end of the world, Captain Jack Harkness is still flirting with Sarah-Jane. rofl

Dalek Khan says: "Everlasting death for the most faithful companion." eek gonk crying sweatdrop What does that mean?

I have yet to watch any classic Who with Davros. Was the new incarnation any good in comparison to the old one?

Man, there is so much that needs to happen in the next episode, I don't know how they're going to fit it all in!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:53 pm


Wait... is is Khan or Caan? I have always thought it was spelled 'Caan'.

No matter, how ever you spell it, he made me want to cry. I didn't know Daleks could go loopy! It makes me sorry that Thay was my favorite in the cult. Caan is sort of adorable now. I'm sorry Caan... thats probably not what you want to hear.

Personally, I think the Doctor's most faithful companion is Sara Jane. Lets wish the everlasting death on her and not Rose, eh?
All of the Doctor's companions are pretty faithful actually. Maybe they'll all comprise his most faithful companion together and all of them die?
Or Jack, since he can't really die. That would be the purpose of specifying EVERLASTING death. He's the only one that might not be dead forever...
Or maybe the Doctor is his OWN most faithful companion. Through the years picking up and dropping off sidekicks, he has stood by himself alone as his most trusted and faithful companion. Or maybe Caan is just off his nut and so am I!

I don't want to believe Ten is out of here... that is NOT a good regeneration sequence! But maybe the whole 'we're taking a season off so David can prance around in some other production' bit was just to throw us off. Maybe we can have more Doctor Who!? Silver lining anyone?

Although starting the next series off with a new head writer and a new Doctor seems to be taking it a bit far.

I love the Doctor speaking Judoon (Jidoon? Jdune?) or whatever that was. I think it was a code actually.

That Daleks know who Harriet Jones is XD beautiful.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:47 am


I don't totally love this episode, because I think having all the ex-companions and their associated baggage (i.e. Torchwood and Sarah Jane's kid) show up kind of bogged things down.

BUT... I'm really digging the Daleks. With the exception of the bit where Gramps tries to disable a Dalek with a paintball gun, which I found a rather intrusive send-up of the annoyingly silly 'my vision is impaired, I cannot see' line from various earlier Dalek stories, I think the Daleks and Davros came off rather well. The Daleks went around killing things. Davros was being his usual insane genius self. Yeah. Good stuff. Much better than that silly Cult of Skaro nonsense from series 2 and 3. Or the crazy religious fanatic Daleks that run a space station full of TV game shows of series 1. Finally... Daleks the way Daleks were meant to be.

And the Doctor got zapped at the end. You know, if they go and show him all exploding like that, it's gonna be a major disappointment if he doesn't carry through with it and actually regenerate. I mean, the Doctor can't go all flamey like that and then next episode he says, "ha ha, fooled you!"
PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:55 am


My fault, I think it is supposed to be Caan. Anyway...They can't kill Sarah-Jane because she has her own show, and she can't die on Doctor Who. It would be too weird. Same with Jack. It has to be either Rose or Donna or maybe there is a second Doctor that will come about and die for some reason. So many speculations! I heard something about K9 going and getting Jenny for some reason, so maybe it'll be one of them. We could probably fill the whole thread with them.

I thought Dalek Caan's craziness was absolutely hilarious! It was one of the very, very few things in the episode that broke a little bit of the tension for me. That and the sight of Sarah-Jane's super awesome ride. Oh, and the Daleks telling Harriet Jones that they knew who she was. That cracked me up. rofl

I agree that having a regeneration sequence like that and then having a new doctor and a new writer would just throw off the whole balance of the show. I'm already teetering on the edge of not wanting to watch the show anymore because of the high angst level over-all. I think a new regeneration would just push me over the edge into non-fandom. crying gonk scream domokun I really don't want that to happen. sweatdrop mad confused evil cry neutral

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:22 am


Firsly~

I thought it was Kan O_o Almost like the word Kan in Japanese. Coffin. ;_; Poor cute widdle Dalek. I want his laugh as a text message sound.

Secondly, DRUMS, yeeeees please.

Thuu-rid-lay, Donna... ;_; I've loved her from the beginning. I think she's a brilliant character and I like her much more than Rose. MUCH more interesting. I don't really care if Rose dies but I sincerely doubt she will. It's cool and all that she has the big gun, but even if she sticks around, you know how the Doctor is with guns. I think her character has developed in such a way that she can't really compliment the doctor anymore. She's too much like him for it to work in the show.

Remember also that Sarah Jane (who's spin-off involves a young boy who is cloned in a soda pop factory and filled with the 'brainpower/knowledge' of all the humans who toured it - her 'son') told Luke she loved him in a sort of "I'm not coming back" way. Doesn't it seem like it will be a poignant thing if she dies thusly?

Yet would they go that far as to orphan a child from the spin-off kid's series?

I cannot say.

Now as for K-9, he was off closing a black hole during the whole of the Sarah Jane series. I've heard that Jenny is in trouble involving said black hole and K-9 rescues her.



On a final note, no Daleks rocked harder than the Cult of Skaaro. razz
PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:26 am



I did love this episode. What a cliffhanger!
I don't think there will be a new doctor, that's just too hard to keep a secret...

Davros always used to scare the hell out of me. But in that episode his lips weren't puffy enough. And he always had a sort of green tint to him...

Mad dalek.. ^_^

I'm surprised there was a cross over between the series, but I thought they pulled it off quite well.

Can't wait til next week. D:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:05 am


Everyone thought it was Caan (I'm sure it was even Caan in magazines and such) but in Confidential they spelled it Khan. Hmm.

I was so happy about Davros!! I was really worried they'd modernize him somehow. I kept squeaking about how happy I was with how they'd done him and people kept pointing out that "he's the same as ever" to which I was like "YEAH - thats my POINT!"

I love Donna. I love her so much. And I love her gramps. I thought it was a heart-beat, but then at some stage there was something that made me think of the drums although I wasn't sure why. Maybe just cos I had the telly quite quiet and only half heard it?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:00 am


Hmm... that's interesting. I heard on the Doctor Who Forums that maybe (highlight to read)...
A botched regeneration causes the Doctor and the Master to swap bodies. That could explain the drums, and why John Simm was booked for a week of filming for Doctor Who a while back. Can't remember where I read that, possibly the forums. I didn't believe it but, well...
I hope I'm right.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:20 am


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Well, he is supposed to get younger with each regeneration...


Not really. Peter Davison was the youngest actor to play him. I've actually got a post I did somewhere, I think in one of the other Who guilds, listing the ages of the actors when they started and finished. I'm a bit too lazy to go find it, but if the actors' ages relate at all to the Doctor's physical age, then it bounces all over the place.

I think I'm one of the few who desperately wants him to regenerate. I am ready for something new. I really want to believe that those photos of Tennant filming new Who stuff are an elaborate attempt to fool the fans. Productions have done that before, coming up with alternate versions of scripts to leak and such. Seems pretty unlikely though. sad

There are a lot of things that could make it so that he doesn't properly regenerate. Possibly the fact that the Cascade is out of sync with the rest of the universe will have some effect.



I said he's supposed to get younger. I didn't say he did. The original conception to regeneration was that he would just get substantially younger - Patrick Troughton was supposed to look like a younger version of William Hartnell.
Also, I'm a Fifth Doctor fan, and I know he was the youngest actor to play him.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:23 am


I'm confused. I was right, TV guides and newspapers etc all called him Dalek Caan, and yet in Confidential last night it was Khan. Anyone know why?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:10 am


Khan would make sense because of the Mongol Khans and their conquering stuff. It sounds like something a Dalek would name itself after.
Dalek Kh/Caan.

"Daleks do not accept apologies" made me laugh.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:02 am


Maybe when Rose took in the Time Vortex there was some left in her and she uses it to stop the regeneration? And also did Sarah Jane Smith get shot by the Daleks?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:07 pm


[This episode was amazing! I've been a bit iffy about S4 so far, but the ending's brilliant]
[I kinda hope he does regenerate 'cause if he doesn't, it could end up being a total cop out - or an amazing turn-around, and I'm worried it'd be the former]
[I kinda hope the thing about him being the Master's true though, that'd be flippin' amazing o.o]

[^ I'm not sure whether I should white out spoilers - so I have done in case smile ]

[I really don't want Donna to die though!! I love her too much, she's such a legend crying ]
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