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There's all sorts of episode-specific online content available on the official BBC website, but unfortunately only folks in the UK can see it. Fortunately, some folks have been ripping the vids and posting them on YouTube. Take for instance this video of 'Captain Jack on the Hath' (narrated by Barrowman).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsYrLV_lGh8

Oh, yeah, look who pops up for a second at 1:17. Was that in the episode proper? If so, I must have missed it.

As for the Hath drowning... doesn't the thing wear a water-breathing apparatus which would prevent him from breathing in the quicksand? So, like, he's probably just sitting in there dying of starvation...

I finally got around to watching the episode today.

1. I thought the girl that played Jenny was absolutely adorable! Of course Jenny was kind of a Mary-Sue to begin with, but had they given her a chance to go through some character building trials, I think she could have been an amazing companion.

2. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Doctor's daughter was not some pre-established character that they had to make up or research or epilogue about to write her into the story. They went to the world, and bam, there she was, brand spanking new and perfect as a 21-year-old new-born in fatigues can be.

3. I was confused about why they didn't also use Martha and Donna in the progenation machine. Was it because they were women? Does the double X chromosome prevent them from making new clones?

4. I knew Jenny was going to die when I learned the name of the episode. I did not, however, expect her to come back to life. What really surprised me, though was that she took off in the space ship. I found that both amusing, and disappointing. I honestly wanted her to go with the Doctor and Donna. It would have been funny to see Donna mothering her. (Come on, you know she would!)

5. Martha's reactions throughout the entire episode surprised me: She automatically went into doctor mode when she found out her kidnapper had been hurt; she seemed to understand everything the hath said; she was hysterical when her hath companion died; she didn't even try to help Jenny when she got shot; and she swore up and down that Donna would surely get as sick of traveling with the Doctor as she had.

6. I was sadly disappointed to realize that the episode was over, and there had been no Rose sightings. *sigh*

7. I finally paid attention to the opening music and noticed that it was different, like people have been saying. I just never realized it before. rolleyes It's not as pretty.

On Jenny's "regeneration,"

Anyone else see the '96 TV movie?
Sylvester McCoy's Doctor was shot, and he would have healed and had been fine had Grace and the other doctor's not botched him up. I'm guessing Jenny was doing the same sort of Time Lordy heal thing the Doctor was TRYING to do there. He still ended up regenerating into Paul McGann though. (Who looked pretty dandy, might I just say.)

I don't think that's what RTD and the others were going for there, but it's a line we can hold onto for continuity's sake.

And poor Martha, indeed. As she was crying over her fallen Hath buddy, I could just hear her saying, "And THIS is why I wanted to stay on Earth!"

Oh, and Jenny's about the third to die after the Doctor agreeing to let her on the TARDIS, not just Astrid. Lynda-With-A-Y also died, on the Game Station due Daleks deciding the vacuum of space was just what she needed. It's pretty much a given that a "Yay, I'm going on the Time Machine!" is a death sentence for the episode. sad

I rather liked the episode. My dad noticed something while editing out the youtube bits on the videotape, though (we switched. Scifi was making us mad so now we tape it off our PS3). In Jenny's shuttle as she's leaving, the walls have a similar look to the interior of the TARDIS. So was that part of the paradox? Did the Doctor's TARDIS bring them there because of Jenny/to make Jenny so she could get her own TARDIS?

...Could this possibly be part of Lucius' "she is returning" prophecy? (See: Fires of Pompeii) I mean, when he first said that I was assuming that he was talking about Rose but after watching it again it seems like he was still in refrence to Gallifrey. Maybe Jenny, not knowing about or not caring about the rules, manages to save it by possibly shifting the tide of the Time War with some pretty nasty consequences (see: Davros returning?). She wasn't exactly raised as a Timelord after all so what do the rules of a lost civilization apply to her anyway? Maybe that's part of the paradox too! Maybe the Doctor's TARDIS decided to go ahead and instigate the events that would bring Gallifrey back? Trying to create another "Bad Wolf" situation (which, really, the Bad Wolf is as much the TARDIS as it is Rose)?



And what's so stupid about it? The device created a mass of energy. How did you think it was going to release it, push a button and the ball farts? It's much more portable than a giant ship with some wierd terraforming beams that justs hovers over the target planet. Create a bunch of energized particles, put them in a containment field, keep them from atrophing, and then release them when you are ready so they can mulitiply and terraform an entire planet in a few hours as opposed to a few months with the old-fashioned method. The Doctor did say that it was a 3rd (or was it 2nd) generation terraforming device, so the process has been streamlined. It's like saying that a CD is stupid in comparison to a LP.

By the way, I think the reason there wasn't a Rose sighting in this one was because they weren't on present-day Earth.

I didn't say that you preferred the old-fashioned style. I was comparing using energized, self-replicating particles in a little ball to a massive ship that changes the native particles manually, challenging your claim that the device was stupid (mainly because you didn't support it. Very English teacher, I know, but it's kinda a pet peeve of mine).

The ball was merely the continment unit, the pedestal was the actual device, though multiple uses of the same terraforming unit seems counter-productive. It was never implied that it was a gas either. In fact, if it was a gas, would't that mean that as soon as it was released it would dissapate? It held together, never going anywhere near Human, Timelord, or Hath. That says to me that it wasn't a gas. And the particles didn't take long at all to terraform the planet.

You're entitled to your argument and I'm entitled to mine.

[I kinda figured she didn't help Jenny 'cause she knew she was gone, after being shot in the heart and not being able to regenerate]
[and, I imagine the TARDIS was translating the Hath's sppech smile ]

[I thought the episode was okay, but a very risky idea]
[I knew from the first time I saw the ads that she'd be dead at the end of the episode, although I didn't expect her to come back (Seems like a bad idea to me XP)]
[I kinda hope she'll be a villain.]
[and, I thought the Hath were adorable, I want one!XD]

I like Willow's theory! I don't know how likely it is, I've been staying off the spoilers this season... but I still like the theory. To be honest, I'm fed up of the whole "last Timelord" malarky. And RTD's going to want to outdo himself for the finale, so I think Gallifrey coming back would be quite a good thing. And it'd be good to have some Time Lords back! Even if from what little I've seen of them, they weren't the nicest, it'd be good. But then, I didn't notice anything special about her ship, just thought it's a fairly generic space-capsule... could be wrong though smile what's this thing at 1.17? Youtube doesn't work for me, and now I'm curious smile