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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:09 pm
@Ernie's last post, I don't know what to say but "Bravo"! We grow up with very rigid views of what abstract concepts (such as gender) should be and that makes it difficult for even the most intelligent and educated of us to understand anything that deviants from those concepts. While there is a "widely" accepted view of what gender and other societial roles "should" mean, human identities just aren't that black and white.
To reiterate an earlier point, While I realize gender is far more to do with biology and society than hair color, I don't expect someone who dyed his or her hair to act "like their hair color" so I don't apply the same expectations to trans, bi, whatever gendered individuals. Everyone has a right to form their own identity regardless of how others feel about it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:50 am
Ernie: you're right, I hadn't looked at it like that before. Thank you for not being judgemental and nasty about it. I'm learning more about the trans community from subjects in ED (kinda how I learned about abortion XD except that it turned me from being a pro-life ******** into a hardcore pro-choicer, whereas this is just general open-mindednees, curiosity and removing misconceptions). It is unintentionally offensive, I see your point. Good for Thomas Beatie on coming out as male and pregnant, is what I say!
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:21 pm
This sort of issue really lets transphobia rear its ugly head.
There is absolutely no sense in referring to someone socially using pronouns based on their current genitals or chromosomal makeup. If that man wasn't pregnant, I'd bet all the people in GD who are going "that's a girl no matter what" would have thought he was a man and referred to him as such. Until it becomes acceptable for everyone to place their hands inside the undergarments of others to determine their genitals and therefore decide which pronouns to use for them (he vs. she), I don't understand why people can't just refer to someone as the sex they appear as.
Pregnant man is accurate, though I don't think he is biologically male.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:40 pm
Ernie. I love you. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:45 am
I would have thought the people would have been happy, after all the poor guys wife can't have a child so he is carrying one? That's incredible of him.
Surely the medical staff would be pleased too, after all it shows evidence that a transgerndered man can carry a child to term even after a long course of testosterone? This could bring hope to childless transgendered couples if the doctors weren't such judgemental ********.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:48 am
Anardana I would have thought the people would have been happy, after all the poor guys wife can't have a child so he is carrying one? That's incredible of him.
Surely the medical staff would be pleased too, after all it shows evidence that a transgerndered man can carry a child to term even after a long course of testosterone? This could bring hope to childless transgendered couples if the doctors weren't such judgemental ******** class="clear"> That just put the funniest picture in my head. Or not funny exactly, but interesting. Transgendered man and woman both use sperm donors to become pregnant and tell everyone they're pregnant. Naturally, people assume it is the female who is carrying. But of course the pregnancies progress together, which put the image in my head of people going "WTF?" at the sight of a pregnant man and pregnant woman strolling hand in hand. It would make sex way awkward. Maybe one day people will not longer WTF it though.
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