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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:40 am
Ryushikaze Reminiscence of FF7 is a side movie included in the DVD, and it's a retrospective on some of the major scenes from the game, interspersed with some scenes of Cloud taking and making calls and meeting Barret as he kicks about making deliveries, the last of which is Cloud stopping by the side of the road to call Tifa, the only call he makes on his own. Ah, cool! Thanks for that info. Awww... Cloud may act all tuff but I love how Tifa gets to him all the time. XD
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:55 pm
Wow....great discussion guys...wish I was able to participate earlier.
But anyways, interesting....I never thought about the time span between Zack and Aeris....and yeah, the do end up spending a lot of time together. Cloud and Tifa from what we know, spent just as much time together-(AC and onto DoC). It might be a random connection that I drew up but all in all, Cloud and Aeris don't spend that much time, not enough to even get to know each other. (And it shows how little they know about each other....Aeris never gets to see the real Cloud while Cloud, as shown in his conversation with Tifa, knows little about what she wants.)
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:24 pm
This is why Cloti and Zeris have so much grounds and yet Cleris seems to be so fairytale like. Even if you forget all the Cloti and Zeris evidence that SE beats you over the head with it, just going by realistic relationships Cleris seems very "hollywood". And we all know that cheapens the story greatly. Cloud and Tifa have had all this time to let their feelings grow, though it's been deep inside of them. When Cloud isn't himself, these feelings are deep in his ind, which is why they don't resurface until he's gained himself again. Tifa starts to have deep feelings as soon as he leaves, and she holds onto them all through CC and in FFVII.
Aeris has years to build her relationship with Zack. We know she's important to him, because she's part of his dying thoughts. And we know he's important to her because she's so hurt by his death, as we see in FFVII. Though Aeris is trying to move on, I think it takes away a lot of her character to make the claim she's completely over a man who she loved and built a relationship with, who disppeared. She has doubts, and she falls for a man who's similar to him. That alone shows she's not over him. Either way, Cloud and Aeris don't have this time to build, anything. There isn't enough to show these characters developing anything more than interest. And then Aeris dies. And then Cloud regains himself and his memories of Tifa and loving her and doing everything for her. And Aeris meets the real Cloud, though only through watching over them all in the lifestream. Even if they had time during her life, we all know she doesn't know the real Cloud. So any amount of time together doesn't really count for anything.
I think I got off track, or many I didn't. Either way, it just seems realistically Cloud and Aeris don't have the same amount of time to build anything meaningful the way Cloud and Tifa, and Aeris and Zack do.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:11 pm
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." -nods head in agreement with everyone-
Speaking of Cleris being "HollyWood", I think we all know it's CloudXTifa and ZackXAeris. I mean, if you put Cloud and Aeris together, who is left for Tifa? No one is. Now I'm not saying females have been left out before in FF games, like Quistis in FFVIII. The difference there is that Quistis admitted her feelings towards Squally were those of a sister, that she mistook for love. Tifa never admits something like this to Cloud. In all FF games, some one has ended up with some one, or completed their story/personal journey. Even Quistis did, even though she ended up being alone (besides her friends) in the end. If the canon were Cloud and Aeris, Tifa would be left out. With Cloti Zeris no one is left out, and Aeris and Zack have such a strong history already, as do Cloud and Tifa. I've seen Cleris fans seriously try and fish up "FACK" proof. To prove TifaXZack. rolleyes I think the pairing is cute, but as a FAN pairing. There is NO proof whatsoever for it.
Anyway, I hope what I posted makes sense. If Cleris were canon, Tifa's personal journey would not be completed, and she would be alone. Square doesn't want that, obviously.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:24 pm
Quote: I've seen Cleris fans seriously try and fish up "FACK" proof.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:27 pm
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." Lmao, that kinda made my night. =D
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:57 pm
From the IGN Ultimania Translation: Quote: ***Enigma of the voice*** (Page 6 cool As Cloud is trying to place the bomb, a mysterious voice speaks to him. Later, this same kind of mysterious voice resounds in Cloud's head in the scene where he and a voice have a conversation, and it offers him reminders. These voices are the original Cloud, as -- due to Hojo's Sephiroth Clones experiment -- Zack's personality merged with his, creating the present day Cloud, producing a conflict of multiple personalities(-->P.11).
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:26 pm
Strange how Cleris fans try to find evidence for ZackxTifa when they only met once in their life. xd Lol! I guess taking pictures with him signify "true love."
But anyways, yeah, Cloud was his own entity. I heard Amylin once theorized that the "cool, cold" part of his present personality came from Tifa's image of what Cloud would be like if she met him again.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:33 am
Quote: Zack's personality had a heavy influence on the formation of Cloud's personality when he was under Jenova's control.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:03 pm
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." I guess some people will try to find any way around the facts. *__* It reminds of how some Cleris fans say that Aeris understands Cloud more than Tifa, and that Tifa doesn't understand Cloud at all. For someone who doesn't understand Cloud, it's even more amazing that she was the only one who could release his true self. rolleyes
@Twin: Sephy was in the picture too, OMG CANON.
KDD said this once, quoting Tifa when it comes to 'loving' Zack:
"I hate you"
Lol.
I don't think Tifa REALLY hates Zack and it was just a spur of the moment thing, but it's funny to use. rofl
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:19 pm
Lol, somehow I want to see someone put that in a comic.....
ZackxTifa proofz:
"I hate you!" xd
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:45 pm
Ya, I really don't understand how people can try to "prove" non-canon pairings. As if the writers purposely put all of these suttle lines about canon. Canon means it's an obvious couple who we see being a couple and doing couple things. Canon means seeing two people who are obviously in love. Canon does not mean something that's slightly hinted at through one line. Canon does not mean thinking these two would be cute together. That's what people don't seem to understand. Canon is the truth, and the truth is one set of ideas. An LTD can be canon, if the feelings of the middle person are confused or not evident. Even then, it's got to be obvious. If there's debate on it, and I mean actual debate as in it's not made clear by the creators or in the medium, then neither side is canon. Debating canon only works if one side is right and the other is wrong and that there's proof of such. You can't really have opinions on what is canon or a side on canon. Do I need to go on? XP
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:26 pm
Nope, you don't need to go on. biggrin A lesson for all those idealistic Cleris fans! Truth is sometimes what you don't want to hear the most!
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:07 am
It is funny because I know I forget sometimes too that canon means one absolute truth that's given to you. I guess the only times you can debate canon are if something contradicts, but even then the default answer is retconning. Anyways, I just wish less people threw around the canon word and realized what it implies.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:30 am
ZackXTifa
Nobody else but me notice that Tifa tells Zack practically to his face...
" I hate you... I HATE YOU ALL"
Now I'm supportive of a bro and sis realationship... xd
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