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 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:11 pm
Girly men. I quite like girly man characters, but I mean... INEXCUSEABLY girly men. Like Kuja of FF9 fame. He would be about 20 times more intimidating as a female, but as a guy, he's just a joke in a thong. And so in turn all the receptive, blossoming little artists overlook several important facts about the male figure, how to flatter and dress it, etc... The most glaring and disturbing of mistakes I've seen is how these people draw guys in skintight pants. And then some people seem to think that a guy of any age can look female by dressing up a little. Fanfiction authors are guilty of this as well. There's a fine line, people. Grow up and give the guys their masculinity back D:
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:18 am
The Iconoclast My husband convinced me squarely that talent is a figment of people's imagination. I stand by this assertion. Perhaps foolishly. I halfway agree with this; I think that talent is a lot less of a factor than it seems - and that the people who you might say are talented have generally spent a long time thinking about their discipline. I think that the most important thing that you can have is the interest to improve. Being comfortable with art to begin with will definitely help nurture such an interest but that is as far as talent will take you.
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:32 am
Dr. Valentine fantastically detailed pieces whose underlying form is flawed like really well shaded and rendered pictures which are off-balance or out of proportion
You're like talking about my worst mistakes. I know it and still do it wrong - well - up to now at least.
I promise I'll work on it. 3nodding
What I also do not really like is DA. razz
Lately everybody expects you to be on that site there...And I get asked at least once a day. (And no I am not).
But I also don't really expect the atmosphere there on a site like that to be helping at all.
Observation is much more important than collecting pageviews, collecting comments & love and such crap...
Well nevermind. wink
And also I somehow find it sad if I see pictures in which artists draw the face quite well and all detailed, ...but neglect the whole rest. :]
Hello all 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:15 am
No no no no NO! You misinterpret me, folks. I never intended to point out that talent is all and that skill is little. You do need both, and I tend to believe skill is more important. AND it's something which requires practice to nourish.
I only said I lose a bit, enough to make us equal. The reason is that people who go to an art school dedicate most of their time for it, and hence get a whole life of practice, something which people who don't go to art schools don't have.
This makes me think that the impressive masterpieces that I talked about are easily doable, and I tend to lose this "impressed" streak. In return, when the same level of skill comes from someone who didn't go to an art school, it tend to be more impressive. To me, thank you.
I believe most of what I'm talking about has to do with the technical aspect of art production.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:08 am
King roach, I do think, much alike to Iconoclast, is that there is no such thing as talent in the art world. There's predispositions to becoming an artist, such as being able to repeat and mix colours fairly well. However, talent became a big word for art advertisers to make it seem as if this was overly special; You had to have talent to be an artist.
Girly men- check. I can understand if it's part of the culture the race comes from (such as say, winged men lol; you could look delicate). But the chicks who think that a man can just put on a wig, some highheels and look female is wrong. Seeing my friend in thighhighs and a girl's underwear did not, infact, make him look any girlier.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:43 am
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:45 am
KingRoach This makes me think that the impressive masterpieces that I talked about are easily doable, and I tend to lose this "impressed" streak. In return, when the same level of skill comes from someone who didn't go to an art school, it tend to be more impressive it seemed to me that you judge people on whether or not they are "talented" or not. Anyways.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:52 am
Professor_Markus KingRoach This makes me think that the impressive masterpieces that I talked about are easily doable, and I tend to lose this "impressed" streak. In return, when the same level of skill comes from someone who didn't go to an art school, it tend to be more impressive it seemed to me that you judge people on whether or not they are "talented" or not. Anyways. No I don't. Yes, anywayz. It's why I mentioned that all this bullshit I'm saying is only concerned with the technical aspect. Because I don't think much of it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:55 am
And that's another point to add to this thread. I do not like technically good art that does not communicate anything to me. It's a very broad sentence, and I'm not quite strict about it, but it's in my head.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:47 pm
Kyandara And also I somehow find it sad if I see pictures in which artists draw the face quite well and all detailed, ...but neglect the whole rest. :] I see this a lot with character-driven/wannabe concept artists who spend ages and ages making a character's face have a lot of expression and detail, but when they draw the rest of the body it looks like someone else did it because it's really awful and stiff in comparison. I used to do this all the time. It's a really bad habit to get into, especially if you're lazy and don't want to finish the rest because you just don't feel like coming up with ideas for a pose or background. I think that bothers me more than anything else that's been posted, except for maybe the ridiculously girly men thing (also previously guilty of this one) or the 'finely rendered and detailed but underlying structure is flawed' thing, which is probably on the same level. I expect some kind of consistency in art, but if someone is consistently inconsistent it annoys the hell out of me. ...ok, actually I just hate being tricked into believing I'm going to see an awesome drawing because it hasn't loaded past the face yet :<
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:45 pm
Unfortunately, I fall into that 'character artist' thing where I probably don't draw bodies as well as I do faces. D:;
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:58 pm
Occasionally, though I know I do too, haha. You've gotten better at fixing that from what I've seen you post here, though.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:49 am
It's helped a lot to realize that the body is a great expressive tool and I should work that to its fullest extent.
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