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 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:32 am
Keziah Rose aki7the7worried Um... -steps out of the lurking-ness for a few minutes- Can someone... Explain to me what this.. "Veil" is. (Note:I, Aki, is obviously shy at times)
The 'Veil' is a concept seen in a lot of fringe religious movements, particularly New Ageism, spiritualism, and paganism. It's the idea that there is either a physical or a symbolic veil, like a drape, separating our physical world from other planes of existence, such as the astral, or if you're of certain religious traditions, heaven and hell. I think. sweatdrop And if you ask the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn: In reality, all the grades from Zelator to Philosophus relate to Malkuth. There is an Invisible grade that is not of the Outer Order and yet not fully of the Inner Order that is called the grade of Portal. This grade relates to Spirit, by which the four elements must be ruled. It is the completion and perfection of the pentagram with the top point of Spirit ruling the lower four points of the elements. The Portal grade also relates to the veil being torn assunder, the Veil of Paroketh, that was split in two in the sanctuary when Christ expired upon the Cross of Suffering.So, metaphorical I suppose.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:01 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd The thing I don't exactly get is why is it worth tearing this thing down in the first place? From what I understand, if the veil goes, it leaves us more open to the unseen, to the spiritual. So it could be easier to actually see a psiball, you could physcially bump into someone's shield, and feel it, spirits could have more power in this world, and it could be easier for us to visit the other one. Stuff like that. Azana Brown Do you really think people are ready for such a change, Lobo? We can slip through easily enough; I doubt we need to force our experiences on others, especially the unfriendly ones. Such an act would likely make interplanal travel unrestricted. While it may sound like a good idea, think of all the evils in both worlds who would gladly take advantage of this ideal, especially those capitalizing on the fearful and ignorant. While it is an intriguing idea to think about, actually doing so may be more harm than help. I wholeheartedly agree. While some of us may be able to deal with Nasties, a lot of us aren't. And uh, if being possessed is anything similar to my possesion dreams, it's not fun. Dorian Requiem ...do you think we should be responsible and protect other people from some of the possible negative aspects of the veil falling?If we actually managed to bring it down, why shouldn't we be? If we end up being responsible for taking the veil down, we should be responsible for the consequences. Anyway, assuming it's not just metaphorical, I doubt that a small group of people could manage to tear down something that's stood for so long. But I'm not willing to put any holes in it; I want it to stay up, for now at least.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:29 pm
Sorry guild, haven't really posted in a while due to a lack of things to say. What do I think the Veil is? I'm not sure, but I'll pretend that the words "metaphorical" and "physical" have no meaning for the moment. I think that you could tear a rift into the Veil, but you're going to have to try really ******** hard.
It would take devotion, and a lot of it to create tools powerful enough to even make a door and keep it open. See, even then, you'd have to start small. As for if a small group of people could do it? Not sure, but I actually think we could at least influence things a little. But like I said, this is something that would take devotion, and I'm sure there are already people in the world devoting their entire lives to either protect or destroy this Veil. Every person would count in a tug-of-war like that, though, wouldn't you think?
In response to the comments along the lines of "Say we did tear it down and Cthulhu came out", I think it would be our responsibility to protect those unready for any of the evils that lie beyond. That too, would take devotion. Luckily, when you care, devotion comes on its own. You don't just sit idly by and watch everyone go mad around you, after all.
I'm for trying to open it, though. Sure, there's an almost 100% chance we'll get no results whatsoever, but it'd be fun and it'd get this guild something to work on. And hey, you never know if a door is going to open if you don't turn the handle.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:30 pm
Okay, i'm somewhat understanding this.
But really, think of this little group. We're ONLINE, have you not noticed, how the HECK are we supposed to get in one huge group if we're scattered across the USA. (And, heck, who knows, someone might live in England here, not me, but who knows.) I mean, obviously, most of us don't even know eachother's ages, we chould have someone from 30 years old to, what, 8? Think over this for a moment.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:45 pm
aki7the7worried Okay, I'm somewhat understanding this. But really, think of this little group. We're ONLINE, have you not noticed, how the HECK are we supposed to get in one huge group if we're scattered across the USA. (And, heck, who knows, someone might live in England here, not me, but who knows.) I mean, obviously, most of us don't even know each other's ages, we could have someone from 30 years old to, what, 8? Think over this for a moment.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:04 pm
Moonlit Jade Azana Brown Do you really think people are ready for such a change, Lobo? We can slip through easily enough; I doubt we need to force our experiences on others, especially the unfriendly ones. Such an act would likely make interplanal travel unrestricted. While it may sound like a good idea, think of all the evils in both worlds who would gladly take advantage of this ideal, especially those capitalizing on the fearful and ignorant. While it is an intriguing idea to think about, actually doing so may be more harm than help. I wholeheartedly agree. While some of us may be able to deal with Nasties, a lot of us aren't. And uh, if being possessed is anything similar to my possesion dreams, it's not fun. I am having a hard enough time with this world, so yeah, I agree
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:12 pm
aki7the7worried Okay, i'm somewhat understanding this. But really, think of this little group. We're ONLINE, have you not noticed, how the HECK are we supposed to get in one huge group if we're scattered across the USA. (And, heck, who knows, someone might live in England here, not me, but who knows.) I mean, obviously, most of us don't even know eachother's ages, we chould have someone from 30 years old to, what, 8? Think over this for a moment. I lived in England. Mitsch lives in Scotland. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:47 pm
im a brit xD
anyway.. how about something like skype? vent? teamspeak? hell even steam has voice chat... just make some big a** convo on there.. n organise some sorta way
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:54 pm
MikeeBoi1029 im a brit xD anyway.. how about something like skype? vent? teamspeak? hell even steam has voice chat... just make some big a** convo on there.. n organise some sorta way Yes.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:52 am
Well I sigilify (is that the right word?) stuff, so what about sigilifying "TEAR DOWN THE VEIL, AND IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ENERGY TO, STORE THE ENERGY IN (insert an object we all know...eiffel tower anyone? xd ) UNTIL IT CAN BE USED"? would that work?
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:47 am
Demosthenes2k8 Well I sigilify (is that the right word?) stuff, so what about sigilifying "TEAR DOWN THE VEIL, AND IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ENERGY TO, STORE THE ENERGY IN (insert an object we all know...eiffel tower anyone? xd ) UNTIL IT CAN BE USED"? would that work? I placed sigils on money and used myself as the container for the energy passed through in attempt to do this very thing. However it ended in me getting overloaded and sick. If you use an object, be very careful choosing what you do.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:58 am
I'm going to get yelled at, but still...no offence, but get a sense of humor. But what do you think would work to store a bunch of people's energy in? I figure if we can't do it all at once, charge the sigil a bit, store the energy, repeat until we have enough. Actually, we could do 2 sigils. 1 could be "STORE ENERGY IN xxxxx" and the other could be "USE THE ENERGY IN xxxxx TO TEAR DOWN THE VEIL"! Would that work? I'm constructing the first one now, but need an object. Any ideas?
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:04 pm
Demosthenes2k8 I'm going to get yelled at, but still...no offence, but get a sense of humor. But what do you think would work to store a bunch of people's energy in? I figure if we can't do it all at once, charge the sigil a bit, store the energy, repeat until we have enough. Actually, we could do 2 sigils. 1 could be "STORE ENERGY IN xxxxx" and the other could be "USE THE ENERGY IN xxxxx TO TEAR DOWN THE VEIL"! Would that work? I'm constructing the first one now, but need an object. Any ideas? XD, not sure where I was lacking a sense of humor but ok. I'm not sure exactly, actually I just had an idea to place a sigil on a train to gather the energy of it o.o....*grabs a couple spray paint cans* mwhahahahaha.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:09 pm
I lost track awhile ago on whats going on in this thread. But I guss I would be in favor of tearing down the veil. Not for an ignorent reason such as "That will show those religious fanatics!" But rather because if we don't then mankind will destroy the earth itself. And well, I like this place.
Question: If the veil is teared down, could it be put back up again? And WHAT excactly would happen if it is torn down. If anyone knows of cource.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:56 pm
Anonymous marauder Question: If the veil is teared down, could it be put back up again? And WHAT excactly would happen if it is torn down. If anyone knows of cource. Anyones guess is about as valid as anyone elses I suppose. This thread is about as relevant as I could find. Posted it on page 2 too...lol.
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