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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:17 pm
lymelady La Veuve Zin sachiko_sohma There is even a billboard somewhere that encourged cheating. ... sweatdrop Sorry, that was intended for one specific guy... La Veuve Zin, there is no end to my love for you. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW lezbefwiends.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:29 pm
Tiger of the Fire You know Jabber, the rules do apply to you, waters, and I as well, right? Well, perhaps next time you can be a little more civil in your posts. Are you talking about the "when did you choose to be heterosexual" comments? Because that is, I think, the only place I could find where I wasn't civil and wasn't joking about it (where as I was joking about the accepting thing, I marked that one - as I do believe that in order to actually be an accepting person, one has to accept those people who are not accepting of others). And, actually, I was mostly joking about the choosing to be heterosexual thing, since I don't believe sexual orientation to be a choice. It just amuses me that people say that homosexuality is a choice, and often seem to miss that this means they believe that they might, at any moment, choose to no longer be straight.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:00 pm
WatersMoon110 Tiger of the Fire You know Jabber, the rules do apply to you, waters, and I as well, right? Well, perhaps next time you can be a little more civil in your posts. Are you talking about the "when did you choose to be heterosexual" comments? Because that is, I think, the only place I could find where I wasn't civil and wasn't joking about it (where as I was joking about the accepting thing, I marked that one - as I do believe that in order to actually be an accepting person, one has to accept those people who are not accepting of others). And, actually, I was mostly joking about the choosing to be heterosexual thing, since I don't believe sexual orientation to be a choice. It just amuses me that people say that homosexuality is a choice, and often seem to miss that this means they believe that they might, at any moment, choose to no longer be straight.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:30 pm
Beware the Jabberwock I'm pretty sure he was referring to me. Because he doesn't like "snark" in comments. =P Oh.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:31 pm
That wasn't just snark Miranda. You were down right vicious, and I'm going to hold EVERY ONE to the same standard. Thats what you placed me to do, wasn't it? Make sure EVERY ONE follows the rules, right?
Also, waters. Jabber's name is in my post o.0
PAYTTENTIONNOW!!!!!11111
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:31 am
Tiger of the Fire That wasn't just snark Miranda. You were down right vicious, and I'm going to hold EVERY ONE to the same standard. Thats what you placed me to do, wasn't it? Make sure EVERY ONE follows the rules, right? Also, waters. Jabber's name is in my post o.0 PAYTTENTIONNOW!!!!!11111
PS. if you're going to respond, please take it to the Crew Subforum.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:59 pm
Erasmas Well, morally I disagree with gay marriage because marriage is largely tied to religion. I think calling same-sex unions "marriage" is going to get religious people's knickers in a twist, and I doubt they're going to vote for it. Beyond that, I think if people want to actively live out their gay lifestyle, more power to them. But don't expect to be included in on traditions that...kinda never included you to begin with, to be honest. I've always thought it was a more advantageous endeavor to go after the law in this issue.
And I did not choose my "gay lifestyle"-- if I could choose to be straight, I would-- in fact I have dated girls, but it never felt right to me, and it's because I was biologically wired to have an attraction to other guys-- it was not something I can control, once I realized what I really felt inside.
Marriage, as a tradition, is about love, and honouring love, and a relationship. As a religious person, wouldn't you be happier to see a gay couple married who really, sincerely loves one another, than a straight couple married for a green card?Quote: Legally? Marriage is a ceremony, not a right. Our Constitution grants us the "right" get married, but not to whomever we want. I think same-sex advocates do themselves a great disservice rhetorically when they say they're fighting for "equal rights". It might seem like there's inequality because we're only looking at the issue as gay and straight. On that platform, the argument is obvious: just because they're gay doesn't mean they aren't people, and since Americans have the right to get married, they should be able to do so with no interference from the government. However, the law doesn't care about your sexual orientation. The law "defines" marriage as being between one man and one woman. What does that mean? It means two men and two women can't marry. Those unions aren't defined as such.
You're really discussing laws to restrict marriage-- There was a time when interracial marriage was illegal, and the definition of marriage has definitely changed since then to fit the fact that couples can marry outside of their race because, yes, you can't help who you love.Quote: Notice I didn't say anything about gay or straight. What if I'm straight, but I love my best friend so much I wanted to marry him. Could I do it? No. Why? Because two men can't marry. OK. What if two gay guys love each other and want to be married...could they do it? No. Same reason. A STRAIGHT man can't marry another man no more legally than a GAY man can't marry another man. Same goes for women.
And also, abortion LEGALLY is sound and protected, but morally, it's another story. The law isn't always set in stone, Erasmas, we as a civilization decide what laws should and should not stay in place-- And when it's about equality for all people (unborn and gay) I'm willing to take a stand for it.Quote: So what same-sex activists are asking for is essentially preferential treatment. Because the law is equal.
When couples that are in love and want to get married can't because of the moral values that someone thinks are being violated, it makes me angry. When people want to get married, and it's their time to settle down with someone, I think they should have that right. I want that choice to be supplied to everyone, because gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. It's helping people who want to live their lives have a valid choice when they want someone to be with them forever.
It's not preferential for me to be able to marry my boyfriend, it's discriminatory if I'm not able to.Quote: I don't mean for this to sound punitive, but you make a choice when you lead certain kinds of lifestyles. I don't like the idea that some gays want to play both sides of the proverbial fence. They want their lifestyle to be different, to be edgy, to push the envelope, to be provocative, to challenge convention...and then cherry-pick which parts of our square culture they want.
I don't want my lifestyle to be different from everyone else's, but if I ever want to really be happy, I have to live with it.Quote: I can't go into Gaia and make one post about critiques I may have about homosexuality as a social issue (which is what things like abortion, the death penalty, drug legalization, etc. are) without somebody jumping down my throat like I'm condoning some Hitler-esque jihad on all homosexuals. Why am I supposed to be reduced to silence on the issue when it's their values and beliefs on the line, but then when my (or others) values and beliefs are on the line, I'm supposed to be open-minded and accepting? It seems like a double standard.
Like I said before, I feel it's the only way for equality. If I can't get married to the man I love, why are you allowed to get married to the woman you love? And when it's my rights on the line, and my chance for future happiness, I have to fight for it. While at the same time being as nice as I can be, which makes for an at least pleasant debate.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:52 am
Tiger of the Fire Also, waters. Jabber's name is in my post o.0 But so is my name, so I questioned why I was in there.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:03 am
Erasmas A STRAIGHT man can't marry another man no more legally than a GAY man can't marry another man. Same goes for women. So what same-sex activists are asking for is essentially preferential treatment. Because the law is equal. This part confuses me.
If gay marriage were made legal, then you would be able to marry a straight male friend just as much as a gay man would be able to marry another gay man.
There'd be no preferential treatment.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:02 am
I am 100% for gay marriage, also I am against calling it a civil partnership.
I know some churches don't want gay marriages in them, which is fine. But the word marriage is not a specifically churchy word, calling it a civil partnership to mollify many of the people who seem to be anti gay marriage annoy me. Marriage has been around for millennia, it is older than Christianity by thousands of years, just as it is older than Judaism, considering that marriage has existed from shamanistic religion which was ancient before Moses was born it irks me when people refer to marriage as a Christian thing, or even a religious thing, I mean which religion are they referring to there!
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:00 am
McPhee Oh, here we go.
As the resident gay male pro-lifer, I have a couple things to add.
First, civil unions don't work for me. If I don't have the same rights and privelages that any straight person has when I'm in another country, if I don't have the right to say if I want the person I love most to be cut off from oxygen on his deathbed, and If I don't have the same rights that any woman would have to her man, then it doesn't work for me.
Secondly, marriages have somewhat become secularized. Legal marriage, at least. Because, I believe, in law that there is a seperation between legal marriage and religious marriage. And I hate hearing that gays would be blaspheming marriage, because divorce, adultery, and the like blaspheme marriage just as much as two men or two women marrying ever could.
And finally, why on earth CAN'T gay people marry? I mean, not letting gay people marry is like saying that my relationship isn't valid, or at least not as valid as a heterosexual one, because I happen to like smooth pecs and a flat stomach and stubble, rather than breasts and T & A?
Besides. Two guys in tuxes getting married is just so damn cute. I am taking thousands of photos at my wedding.
Thank God I live in Canada.<333
My uncle and his husband were one of the first gay married couples in Ontario heart
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