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 Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:04 pm
Talmar_Star_Blood Tell that to the Catholics. And the Baptists. There were raids on Jewish areas in Poland and Germany(Pre WWII) where the Catholic church made all the Jews be baptised, or die. They did it because they believe that beibg baptized gets you into heaven. Not saying the'd do that now, but I mean COME ON. I think baptizing is kind of like circumsision, it's a sign of the covenant, and it's VERY nessicary, but it doesn't save you on it's own. So what happens to people who weren't circumcised by their parents within 7 days and all that jazz?
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:13 pm
Lethkhar Talmar_Star_Blood Tell that to the Catholics. And the Baptists. There were raids on Jewish areas in Poland and Germany(Pre WWII) where the Catholic church made all the Jews be baptised, or die. They did it because they believe that beibg baptized gets you into heaven. Not saying the'd do that now, but I mean COME ON. I think baptizing is kind of like circumsision, it's a sign of the covenant, and it's VERY nessicary, but it doesn't save you on it's own. So what happens to people who weren't circumcised by their parents within 7 days and all that jazz? It's the eith day. And that doesn't really matter, that's from the Talmud, it's not commanded by G-d.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:23 pm
Talmar_Star_Blood Lethkhar Talmar_Star_Blood Tell that to the Catholics. And the Baptists. There were raids on Jewish areas in Poland and Germany(Pre WWII) where the Catholic church made all the Jews be baptised, or die. They did it because they believe that beibg baptized gets you into heaven. Not saying the'd do that now, but I mean COME ON. I think baptizing is kind of like circumsision, it's a sign of the covenant, and it's VERY nessicary, but it doesn't save you on it's own. So what happens to people who weren't circumcised by their parents within 7 days and all that jazz? It's the eith day. And that doesn't really matter, that's from the Talmud, it's not commanded by G-d. Circumcision is quite clearly outlined in the Covenant of the Ark. confused
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:25 pm
Lethkhar Talmar_Star_Blood Lethkhar Talmar_Star_Blood Tell that to the Catholics. And the Baptists. There were raids on Jewish areas in Poland and Germany(Pre WWII) where the Catholic church made all the Jews be baptised, or die. They did it because they believe that beibg baptized gets you into heaven. Not saying the'd do that now, but I mean COME ON. I think baptizing is kind of like circumsision, it's a sign of the covenant, and it's VERY nessicary, but it doesn't save you on it's own. So what happens to people who weren't circumcised by their parents within 7 days and all that jazz? It's the eith day. And that doesn't really matter, that's from the Talmud, it's not commanded by G-d. Circumcision is quite clearly outlined in the Covenant of the Ark. confused Oh. Sorry, I was thinking of something else. A clear sign I should be in bed.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:06 am
First off, denominations are just stupid. Breaking off and dividing yourselves into "us" and "them" is ridiculous and clearly not something Jesus wanted aside from those who are for Him and those who are against. But, as has already been stated, it's human nature to segregate. We've been doing it since the Stone Age, and we probably always will. The issue is interpretation. Yes, we should just take the Bible at face value and follow the facts, but then there arise debates on what are facts and what was just an allegory? What's literal and what's just a metaphor? And that's where you get denominations. You get denominations because "Jesus couldn't have possibly been drinking real wine" or because "What's his face is totally a modern-day prophet." Understanding the language and the cultural context is the best way to start interpreting the Bible for what it really says.
As far as physically abiding by the Law, like Talmar said, alot of the things required in the OT are physical reminders of spiritual commandments, and since Jesus has already fulfilled the law, by following Him, we are also doing the same. Baptism does not guarantee salvation (Jesus said salvation comes only through Him, neither does not being baptized mean you are not saved. It is an outward reflection of the commitment you have made, so many do choose to get baptized after becoming saved, but the Bible never says you will not be saved if you are not baptized. There is the command that we should go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but nowhere does it add on, "or else they won't be saved." It is more like an encouragement saying to go and preach the Gospel, and once these people have received it to the point of wanting to make this outward gesture, baptize them.
Again, interpretation issues can arise, because this is my understanding of that particular passage. The more you read the Bible, though, the more you understand God's character, and the more you understand God's character, the more you can understand His Word. It's a not-so-vicious cycle. 3nodding
And hey, Talmar, you ever figure out that translation?? biggrin
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:47 am
She said what I thought. I agree with everything she wrote. so, what do you guys think?
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:41 pm
Well... I know the transliterated version of it, but I'm still working on the Hebrew letters for ya.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:55 am
I think denominations are a way of learning to agree with some people on something. We don't get that a lot in religion. We like to draw lines in the sand and say "You're either with us or against us." Even non-denoms seem to have the superior attitude over those who still engage in denominational churches.
Joke: St. Peter was showing a new guy around Heaven when they passed a group of people jumping up and down and waving hankies. "Who are they?" The man asked. "Oh, those are the charismatics." A little ways away, they passed a group of people singing hymns and standing completely still. "What about that group?" the man asked. "Oh, those are the Nazarenes," St. Peter replied. A little ways later, they came to an enormous wall where they could hear shouting and praises from the inside. "What in the world is this?" the man asked. St. Peter smiled and replied, "Oh those are the Baptists ( or insert denomination here). They think they're the only ones here."
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:15 pm
Meenya I think denominations are a way of learning to agree with some people on something. We don't get that a lot in religion. We like to draw lines in the sand and say "You're either with us or against us." Even non-denoms seem to have the superior attitude over those who still engage in denominational churches. Joke: St. Peter was showing a new guy around Heaven when they passed a group of people jumping up and down and waving hankies. "Who are they?" The man asked. "Oh, those are the charismatics." A little ways away, they passed a group of people singing hymns and standing completely still. "What about that group?" the man asked. "Oh, those are the Nazarenes," St. Peter replied. A little ways later, they came to an enormous wall where they could hear shouting and praises from the inside. "What in the world is this?" the man asked. St. Peter smiled and replied, "Oh those are the Baptists ( or insert denomination here). They think they're the only ones here." Haha, I've heard that one... lol
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:56 am
Talmar_Star_Blood Well... I know the transliterated version of it, but I'm still working on the Hebrew letters for ya.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:26 am
Although it's OK to say "I'm Catholic." But why on Earth would you say your not Christian?! Denomination's are fine in my mind, so long as there not used in the wrong way. Same with organized religion really.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:03 pm
Talmar_Star_Blood Tell that to the Catholics. And the Baptists. There were raids on Jewish areas in Poland and Germany(Pre WWII) where the Catholic church made all the Jews be baptised, or die. They did it because they believe that beibg baptized gets you into heaven. Not saying the'd do that now, but I mean COME ON. I think baptizing is kind of like circumsision, it's a sign of the covenant, and it's VERY nessicary, but it doesn't save you on it's own. The baptists know. Catholics I have no idea. My church (which is Baptist) doesn't believe the act of baptism saves you, but being baptised spiritually does, which requires no pastor, preacher. Just you, God, and Jesus.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:42 am
Meenya I think denominations are a way of learning to agree with some people on something. We don't get that a lot in religion. We like to draw lines in the sand and say "You're either with us or against us." Even non-denoms seem to have the superior attitude over those who still engage in denominational churches. Joke: St. Peter was showing a new guy around Heaven when they passed a group of people jumping up and down and waving hankies. "Who are they?" The man asked. "Oh, those are the charismatics." A little ways away, they passed a group of people singing hymns and standing completely still. "What about that group?" the man asked. "Oh, those are the Nazarenes," St. Peter replied. A little ways later, they came to an enormous wall where they could hear shouting and praises from the inside. "What in the world is this?" the man asked. St. Peter smiled and replied, "Oh those are the Baptists ( or insert denomination here). They think they're the only ones here." I've heard that joke, though with Catholics. *shrug* I know some amazing Catholics, but the Pope believes I'm going to hell.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:08 am
Trix Starlight Meenya I think denominations are a way of learning to agree with some people on something. We don't get that a lot in religion. We like to draw lines in the sand and say "You're either with us or against us." Even non-denoms seem to have the superior attitude over those who still engage in denominational churches. Joke: St. Peter was showing a new guy around Heaven when they passed a group of people jumping up and down and waving hankies. "Who are they?" The man asked. "Oh, those are the charismatics." A little ways away, they passed a group of people singing hymns and standing completely still. "What about that group?" the man asked. "Oh, those are the Nazarenes," St. Peter replied. A little ways later, they came to an enormous wall where they could hear shouting and praises from the inside. "What in the world is this?" the man asked. St. Peter smiled and replied, "Oh those are the Baptists ( or insert denomination here). They think they're the only ones here." I've heard that joke, though with Catholics. *shrug* I know some amazing Catholics, but the Pope believes I'm going to hell. Why?
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:30 am
Squireof the son Trix Starlight Meenya I think denominations are a way of learning to agree with some people on something. We don't get that a lot in religion. We like to draw lines in the sand and say "You're either with us or against us." Even non-denoms seem to have the superior attitude over those who still engage in denominational churches. Joke: St. Peter was showing a new guy around Heaven when they passed a group of people jumping up and down and waving hankies. "Who are they?" The man asked. "Oh, those are the charismatics." A little ways away, they passed a group of people singing hymns and standing completely still. "What about that group?" the man asked. "Oh, those are the Nazarenes," St. Peter replied. A little ways later, they came to an enormous wall where they could hear shouting and praises from the inside. "What in the world is this?" the man asked. St. Peter smiled and replied, "Oh those are the Baptists ( or insert denomination here). They think they're the only ones here." I've heard that joke, though with Catholics. *shrug* I know some amazing Catholics, but the Pope believes I'm going to hell. Why? Because I'm not a Catholic. I'm Christian, but not Catholic.
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