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 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:57 pm
Son of Axeman Please don't. They give me a good laugh. I will put them in a thread that is more appropriate, how's that?
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:06 pm
Please don't flame me, but I prefer LaVey's brand of Satanism. It is less about worshippig an evil deity and more about oneself.
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ill dirty up your laundry
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:09 pm
oOMacabreOo Please don't flame me, but I prefer LaVey's brand of Satanism. Any reason why? What exactly do you like about LaVey's brand? Are you yourself a satanist? How do you feel about satanic philosophy as opposed to the religion? How about satanic philosophy in conjunction with the religion? Well, these are the only questions I can think of now, I'm sure I will have more later, answer them if you want; also, feel free to post any information on satanism, that hasn't already been posted.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:18 pm
chaoticpuppet oOMacabreOo Please don't flame me, but I prefer LaVey's brand of Satanism. Any reason why? What exactly do you like about LaVey's brand? Are you yourself a satanist? How do you feel about satanic philosophy as opposed to the religion? How about satanic philosophy in conjunction with the religion? Well, these are the only questions I can think of now, I'm sure I will have more later, answer them if you want; also, feel free to post any information on satanism, that hasn't already been posted. Yes I am a Satanist. I think that Satanism is best practiced as both a religion and a philosophy. I like that in LaVey's brand it is all about oneself, and I just seemed to gravitate more towards that particular brand. The Official Church Of Satan Website
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ill dirty up your laundry
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:35 pm
I borrow some of my beliefs from Satanism, mainly the triumph of logic over faith, responsibilities for ones actions, realizing th eogd within one's self, and the overall rejection of most Christian views on "sin". Notice most. Have to agree on things that harm other people as being generally bad.
LeVay's statements and words, the way he wrote them, struck me as vengeful and a bit corny, honestly. Trying to hard to embrace evil. Some of the statements are good in content, so I pick and choose what I believe.
And, I'm curious about the other kind of Satanists. The much more rare kind that worship the Christian devil. Does anybody know of any, met any, is one, or has more information on that?
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:58 pm
I ran across some articles on Wikipedia about Luciferianism, and it made me think of this thread. While the articles weren't about Satanism, I learned about two different types of Luciferianism as well as the early Christian view of Lucifer.
Lucifer is a latin word that literally translates into Light Bearer. In Christian and Jewish Mythology, Lucifer was an archangel who rebeled against God and ended up being cast out of heaven, along with the army of angels he commanded. The moment he left heaven, he was no longer known as Lucifer. The myths go on to tell how the fallen archangel became an evil spirit with dominion over the physical word, and his army of angels became demons. It was not until Christianity that the fallen archangel became known as Satan or the devil.
Lucifer also exists within ancient Roman and Greek myths. He is often called the Morning Star or the Bringer of Dawn and is the last star visible in the morning in that part of the world. He was not quite a god, but he was above demi-human.
The name Lucifer was not associated with Satan for several centuries after the dawn of Christianity. For the first several centuries AD, the name Lucifer was seen as "bringing enlightenment."
Luciferian Christianity began in the latter half of the 4th century and lasted only until the beggining of the 5th century. It was started by the Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari. Taking an ultra-orthodox stance on many changing issues at the time, he was forced into exile from his homeland. While in exile, he gained a small following. The major difference in belief was that Luciferians believed that heretics had no possibility for forgiveness.
Another form of Luciferianism is Luciferian Gnosticism. In Luciferian Gnosticism, the Goddess-figure Sophia, bringer of knowledge, has been replaced with Lucifer. Lucifer is seen in his non-Christian context as the bringer of enlightenment.
So far, to this day, I have not found a single thing about Luciferian Satanism, or at least that that's the correct term for it. To me, based on the purest meanings of those words, that very phrase sounds like an oxymoron.
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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:15 pm
chaoticpuppet This is a place where we can discuss everything about satanism, such as myths, truths, what they believe, so on and so forth. so to start off, here is a short list of definitions of the word satanism: these are taken from www.religioustolerance.org Quote: Satanists are followers of a Satanic religion: Most religious historians, mainline Christians, liberal Christians, etc., view Satanism as Satanists themselves do: as a very small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies. There are perhaps ten thousand Satanists in North America. By far the largest Satanic organization is the Church of Satan. Accurate membership numbers are quite impossible to estimate. Satanists are followers of a religion other than Conservative Christianity: Conservative Christians generally believe that there are only two powerful supernatural forces in the world: their God and Satan. A few of them believe that if a person does not worship their God and hold their beliefs, then they must be worshiping Satan. The latter are, by definition, Satanists. Thus, they view all religions different from their own to be are forms of Satanism. This would include established world religions from Buddhism to Zoroastrianism, and might even include liberal and some mainline Christians. Satanists would then make up in excess of 90% of the world's population -- i.e. everyone who is not a conservative Christian. Using this definition, the term "Satanism" becomes almost meaningless. All non-Christians are Satanists: Some feel that all non-Christian religions are forms of Satanism. This would imply that all Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims - in fact about 67% of the world's population are Satanists. Non-Abramics are Satanists: Others feel that all religions other than the three Abramic religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are inspired by Satan and are thus a form of Satanism. By this reasoning, about 45% of the people of the world are Satanists. Followers of certain small religions are Satanists: Still others feel that the major world religions are not Satanism. However, they view a wide variety of unrelated religions and practices (such as Santeria, Vodun, other Caribbean religions, New Age, Druidism, Wicca, other Neopagan religions and religious Satanism) to be various forms of Satanism. They often include some non-religious groups and activities -- as varied as the Masonic order, the Occult, astrology, and tarot card reading -- within their definition of Satanism. There would be millions of Satanists in North America by this definition. these are all defintions of satanism, but are they good definitions? well religioustolerance.org didn't think so either, so here is their working definition Quote: Worships the Christian devil. Although the Christian Churches taught during the Renaissance that devil worshipers were very common, such individuals were in fact extremely rare, and remain so. The very few who do exist appear to be solitary practitioners; they do not appear to have formed an organization. Accepts Satan as a pre-Christian life-principle concept worth emulating. These are religious Satanists, who follow a number of religious traditions, of which the largest by far is the Church of Satan. so the above is what a satanist is, someone who worships the christian devil, or somone who accepts satan as a pre-christian life-principle concept worth emulating (i.e. they do not believe satan necessarily exists, but they believe more in the philosophy of satanism). so come and share your myths, truths or what have you about satanism. i agree with everythign this lad says.....except i have one thign to say....and tht is BOOK WORM!...lol..just kidding. no, but you've done your research, really youu have
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:23 pm
darkshadowofthegoths i agree with everythign this lad says.....except i have one thign to say....and tht is BOOK WORM!...lol..just kidding. no, but you've done your research, really youu have More like net worm, as I got all this information from the web.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:10 pm
chaoticpuppet lol, i love dead baby jokes. What's the difference between a Corvette and a pile of dead babies? I don't have a Corvette in my garage. [/sickening jokes which I know anyway.] My view on the "God-rejecting" Satanism mentioned earlier, I think it's fine not to believe in God, or whatever. It's your opinion. My view on "Lucifieric Satanism," as someone earlier in the thread called it,(Impending Opinion!!!) I think it seems kind of silly to worship Satan, who's only promise is eternal Damnation. No offence, but it doesn't seem very logical.[/opinion] Besides, Cthulhu is cooler. wink
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:40 pm
I think that most people who are satanists just do it to annoy christians, I'm almost sure thats the main reason for it deep down. The satanists that are truly into it, well I cant imagine why they do it, if they want to live in an everlasting hell let them. It puzzles me... Then again I don't understand the religion al that well.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:57 pm
I don't know a lot about Satanism, but I think that it deserves the same respect as any other religion.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:35 pm
Some_guy15 I think that most people who are satanists just do it to annoy christians, I'm almost sure thats the main reason for it deep down. The satanists that are truly into it, well I cant imagine why they do it, if they want to live in an everlasting hell let them. It puzzles me... Then again I don't understand the religion al that well. To my knowledge, most Satanists do not believe in Satan, they more believe in the philosophy that the Satanist religion holds. In other words, they are a special branch of Existentialistic Atheists, if you will. As for the term Luciferian Satanism: Even though that is what I call the branch of Satanism that praises Satan; I am almost positive that it is an incorrect term. I know of no bible verse that says that Lucifer is Satan, the one work that comes to mind that does say that is Paradise Lost.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:07 am
chaoticpuppet As for the term Luciferian Satanism: Even though that is what I call the branch of Satanism that praises Satan; I am almost positive that it is an incorrect term. I know of no bible verse that says that Lucifer is Satan, the one work that comes to mind that does say that is Paradise Lost. I thnik I know the story of lucifer, thats the angel that was against God so he was banished away and h started hell or something like that right? It seems like a valid term to me
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:20 pm
Some_Guy15 chaoticpuppet As for the term Luciferian Satanism: Even though that is what I call the branch of Satanism that praises Satan; I am almost positive that it is an incorrect term. I know of no bible verse that says that Lucifer is Satan, the one work that comes to mind that does say that is Paradise Lost. I thnik I know the story of lucifer, thats the angel that was against God so he was banished away and h started hell or something like that right? It seems like a valid term to me I'm not sure of how much that story is in the Bible, however, I know that the connection between Lucifer and Satan came from Paradise Lost which is not part of the bible. It is a work of Religious Fiction, in which Milton (I think that's who wrote it) states that Lucifer had a falling out with God, and Lucifer is Satan. From what I know of the Bible, it never states whether or not Lucifer is Satan. So, yes, you have the Paradise Lost story right, but that is, to my knowledge, not the biblical story.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:37 pm
chaoticpuppet Some_Guy15 chaoticpuppet As for the term Luciferian Satanism: Even though that is what I call the branch of Satanism that praises Satan; I am almost positive that it is an incorrect term. I know of no bible verse that says that Lucifer is Satan, the one work that comes to mind that does say that is Paradise Lost. I thnik I know the story of lucifer, thats the angel that was against God so he was banished away and h started hell or something like that right? It seems like a valid term to me I'm not sure of how much that story is in the Bible, however, I know that the connection between Lucifer and Satan came from Paradise Lost which is not part of the bible. It is a work of Religious Fiction, in which Milton (I think that's who wrote it) states that Lucifer had a falling out with God, and Lucifer is Satan. From what I know of the Bible, it never states whether or not Lucifer is Satan. So, yes, you have the Paradise Lost story right, but that is, to my knowledge, not the biblical story. Could care less about the bible, i dont get why a waste of trees is so important to people?
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