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 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:48 pm
Kumadude MegaTherion777 Gravechild6 MegaTherion777 Digital Malevolence Trivium is a crime in metal. ninja indeed. furthermore, adding the suffix -core to the prefix metal- is a crime against humanity. Are you saying hardcore has no place in metal? not at all. hardcore was influential in the development of thrash. im saying that metalcore is a crime against humanity - just look at trivium and atreyu. lol...its just those bands...there are good metalcore bands though... yeah, there are some okay -core bands, but for the most part, i prefer metal or hardcore, but not the mixture of both. IMO, metalcore in general takes the worst aspects of metal and the worst aspects of hardcore and turns it into one terrible genre. with a few exceptions. and i'm only half kidding when i say that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:51 pm
Don't forget about Sludge plenty of Hardcore influence there.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:07 pm
Euronomyus was an idiot, Varg was and still is a bigger idiot. Bard Faust is up there on the list of idiots too. They should have contained such primal outbursts of violence if they wanted to prove some kind of a point with Black Metal.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:12 pm
PandasRGr1mm Euronomyus was an idiot, Varg was and still is a bigger idiot. Bard Faust is up there on the list of idiots too. They should have contained such primal outbursts of violence if they wanted to prove some kind of a point with Black Metal. yeah faust was pretty damn stupid. samoth was too, but he seems o have matured and come to his senses. infernus has been pretty stupid, and gaahl too - although its arguable, seeing as he claims his actions were in self defense. but varg was the biggest t**t in the scene.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:33 pm
Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:07 pm
ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"?
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:15 pm
MegaTherion777 ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"? I have to name a song too :"Christians To The Lions." And yes I agree with your statement on not censoring BM bands even though some of what they may be extreme. But you have to think when Ghaal claims his assualts were for self-protection, doesn't that mean Varg killing was also in self-protection? He claims that on the Burzum website but it's still hard to believe. I think the majority of all these senseless crimes are atempts at getting their bands publicity.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:26 pm
PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"? I have to name a song too :"Christians To The Lions." And yes I agree with your statement on not censoring BM bands even though some of what they may be extreme. But you have to think when Ghaal claims his assualts were for self-protection, doesn't that mean Varg killing was also in self-protection? He claims that on the Burzum website but it's still hard to believe. I think the majority of all these senseless crimes are atempts at getting their bands publicity. varg made an unprovoked attack on euronymous. gaahl was attacked, and simply went over the line. rather than defending himself he knocked the guy out, locked him in a shed, and tortured him for the next day or two. it is not disputed that gaahl was attacked first, however. in the case of varg, there is no evidence to indicate that euronymous attacked him first. it was not self defense, it was an unprovoked assault and murder on a former friend and bandmate. gaahl went over the line. varg erased the line.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:33 pm
MegaTherion777 PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"? I have to name a song too :"Christians To The Lions." And yes I agree with your statement on not censoring BM bands even though some of what they may be extreme. But you have to think when Ghaal claims his assualts were for self-protection, doesn't that mean Varg killing was also in self-protection? He claims that on the Burzum website but it's still hard to believe. I think the majority of all these senseless crimes are atempts at getting their bands publicity. varg made an unprovoked attack on euronymous. gaahl was attacked, and simply went over the line. rather than defending himself he knocked the guy out, locked him in a shed, and tortured him for the next day or two. it is not disputed that gaahl was attacked first, however. in the case of varg, there is no evidence to indicate that euronymous attacked him first. it was not self defense, it was an unprovoked assault and murder on a former friend and bandmate. gaahl went over the line. varg erased the line. Hm. I was not aware of that Ghaal was attacked first. It then makes more sense why Ghaal did what he did, which is still sorta extreme O.o But wasn't Euronymous planning to kill Varg or is that a myth? I never did get my 2nd wave history down sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:38 pm
PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"? I have to name a song too :"Christians To The Lions." And yes I agree with your statement on not censoring BM bands even though some of what they may be extreme. But you have to think when Ghaal claims his assualts were for self-protection, doesn't that mean Varg killing was also in self-protection? He claims that on the Burzum website but it's still hard to believe. I think the majority of all these senseless crimes are atempts at getting their bands publicity. varg made an unprovoked attack on euronymous. gaahl was attacked, and simply went over the line. rather than defending himself he knocked the guy out, locked him in a shed, and tortured him for the next day or two. it is not disputed that gaahl was attacked first, however. in the case of varg, there is no evidence to indicate that euronymous attacked him first. it was not self defense, it was an unprovoked assault and murder on a former friend and bandmate. gaahl went over the line. varg erased the line. Hm. I was not aware of that Ghaal was attacked first. It then makes more sense why Ghaal did what he did, which is still sorta extreme O.o But wasn't Euronymous planning to kill Varg or is that a myth? I never did get my 2nd wave history down sweatdrop varg claims that euronymous was planning to kill him but there is no evidence to that effect. no one else knew of any plans, and hey, what are the odds that the victim will know of the plans before anyone else? i think varg was either 1) paranoid, or 2) just making s**t up to try and cover his tracks.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:40 pm
Wait, when did I say that I listened to Behemoth? I think you're confusing that with Aeon, maybe?
Anyways...My point was not to censor these bands, since that (as you said) would be muzzling people's right to free speech no matter how hateful and idiotic. The whole bit about indefinitely holding them in prison was just hotheaded griping. My point was that I myself, and would encourage others, to boycott such music. Speaking about the many, many evils perpetrated under the banner of Christianity against the world's people throughout history, cultural/ethnic history, and philosophy are very much applaudable aims for music. But when the music and its musicians start talking about killing Christians...that's where I draw the line, especially when REAL churches start burning or teen kids get involved in Satanic cults and end up getting murdered as a "sacrifice." Or when a severely homophobic band member kills a gay man. Etc.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:40 pm
MegaTherion777 PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 PandasRGr1mm MegaTherion777 ashlander_alpha Though I'm prolly a bit late, I think that these morons give metal a bad name committing crimes like these as well as their moronic yet hateful rhetoric. The jackasses don't really care that they're soiling the reputation of the art form they claim to be so devoted to...As such, I refuse to patronize their music and would be plenty happy seeing them locked up indefinitely. well varg IS locked up... faust too, i believe. although he mighta gotten out. and euronymous is dead. infernus was in jail but he's out, and gaahl has been in and out...but again, he claims his assaults were in self defense. i cant say. and samoth has come to his senses as for the "hateful rhetoric" - you may not like it, but it is protected by free speech, a basic human right. while some bands do take it to an extreme, opposition to christianity is a central part of the black metal art form - BM is not just music, it is about going your own way, strengthening the individual, being closer to nature, thinking for and standing up for yourself. yes, in the early part of the 2nd wave we do see some examples of groupthink - the church burnings and saying that christianity should be driven from the earth, immature s**t like that, but you cant say they should be locked up for it because if you start censoring people, where do you draw the line? and the immature and hateful rhetoric is more present on the surface - the shitty bands like dark funeral and marduk - than it is when you get more into the scene. yes, gorgoroth writes about satanism - because infernus IS a satanist. but many bands focus more on philosophical elements such as nietzsche's overman, or on themes of nature and the pagan roots of their country. and plus, you listen to behemoth - theres some hate and immature lyrics there too. "christgrinding avenue"? "pure evil and hate"? "rite of the blackstorm of evil"? I have to name a song too :"Christians To The Lions." And yes I agree with your statement on not censoring BM bands even though some of what they may be extreme. But you have to think when Ghaal claims his assualts were for self-protection, doesn't that mean Varg killing was also in self-protection? He claims that on the Burzum website but it's still hard to believe. I think the majority of all these senseless crimes are atempts at getting their bands publicity. varg made an unprovoked attack on euronymous. gaahl was attacked, and simply went over the line. rather than defending himself he knocked the guy out, locked him in a shed, and tortured him for the next day or two. it is not disputed that gaahl was attacked first, however. in the case of varg, there is no evidence to indicate that euronymous attacked him first. it was not self defense, it was an unprovoked assault and murder on a former friend and bandmate. gaahl went over the line. varg erased the line. Hm. I was not aware of that Ghaal was attacked first. It then makes more sense why Ghaal did what he did, which is still sorta extreme O.o But wasn't Euronymous planning to kill Varg or is that a myth? I never did get my 2nd wave history down sweatdrop varg claims that euronymous was planning to kill him but there is no evidence to that effect. no one else knew of any plans, and hey, what are the odds that the victim will know of the plans before anyone else? i think varg was either 1) paranoid, or 2) just making s**t up to try and cover his tracks. I never thought of it that way. And I would probably say 1&2.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:54 pm
ashlander_alpha Wait, when did I say that I listened to Behemoth? I think you're confusing that with Aeon, maybe?
Anyways...My point was not to censor these bands, since that (as you said) would be muzzling people's right to free speech no matter how hateful and idiotic. The whole bit about indefinitely holding them in prison was just hotheaded griping. My point was that I myself, and would encourage others, to boycott such music. Speaking about the many, many evils perpetrated under the banner of Christianity against the world's people throughout history, cultural/ethnic history, and philosophy are very much applaudable aims for music. But when the music and its musicians start talking about killing Christians...that's where I draw the line, especially when REAL churches start burning or teen kids get involved in Satanic cults and end up getting murdered as a "sacrifice." Or when a severely homophobic band member kills a gay man. Etc. perhaps i did get you mixed up with someone else... didnt you at one point, a couple months ago say something to the effect of you dont like black metal, you prefer when elements of it are mixed with other genres such as when behemoth does blackened death metal or when finntroll does their black-influenced folk? anyway, if you listen to a lot of the GOOD BM bands they only talk about how christianity has committed many evils and you shouldnt follow blah blah blah. the most extreme they get is referring to it as a scourge. it is that s**t bands that sing lyrics like "kill the christians cuz theyre scum!!!11!!" as for churches burning - well yes, thats a crime. but as far as i know varg was the one who took credit for the majority of burnings actually, and i dont listen to burzum... partly cuz varg's a c**t and partly because burzum sucks... anyway, emperor is good, and i'm not going to stop listening to a good band just because of faust - who hasnt even been in the band for most of their career anyway. i might boycott something faust does on his own if he ever does anything else in the music world, but im not gonna boycott emperor because of faust. or samoth, even if samoth claims he was present at one of the church burnings. he has since stated that they shouldnt be done - he's grown up. i believe in second chances, so i'm not gonna boycott emperor because of him either. as for satanic cults sacrificing teens... you've been sucked in by the horror stories of the tabloids. that has never happened, and anyone familiar with the tenets of satanism will understand why - it is a brand of hedonism that mocks christianity. they don't actually believe in demons and black magic, they dont sacrifice s**t. they indulge themselves in black masses - which are nothing but orgies associated with symbolism that mocks the church. as for devil/demon-worshippers, there aren't any in the BM scene (at least that i know of), and there aren't many in the world. and these demon worshippers may sacrifice chickens or even a goat, but there is no evidence supporting the rumour of human sacrifice. that is bullshit tabloid sensationalism, just as the idea that vodou is a form of black magic is a sensationalist falsehood - vodou is a syncretic religion, a combo if christianity and african traditional religion, that arose in haiti. not black magic. now i dont respect black magicians and devil worshippers - i think they are childish and stupid individuals - but dammit i will not tolerate their being slandered either.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:52 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:05 am
My Hollow Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Church Burnings (ORLY HOLLOW!?). I can understand not taking up the religion, but going as far as to hate it so much that you burn other people's place of worship? Not cool. that's what the christians did to their culture, and many others.
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