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 Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:06 am
windswept_fury Or are they? I never said scientists were creationists, I said that most believe in some divine power. Don't mistranslate my words. windswept_fury Even most scientists now claim that there must be someone who created the universe, though not many admit to it being God. You used the word create, I lept to conclusion as I was short on time and in a rush to post. I apologise. Most western scientists are Christians of one type or another, but the vast majority are not creatioists, and would never claim their faith to be anything other than irrational. windswept_fury And you'd know he never said that how? I'm not gonna go searching for false answers. You people keep talking about you're right. Give proof. You know as well as I that difinitive proof is impossible, he's long dead. We rely on the testimony of those who where there at the time. And creationist tales of a Death Bed retraction are unreliable for that very reason. Besides which he never showed any such intention to retract apart from in Creatioist testimony. And it seems out of character for the man. For these reasons I seriously doubt the validity of this claim. Evowiki on the Subject
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:36 am
Yea! New York is still safe and Creationist free.
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:09 am
No where is really safe exactly. These people are seemingly everywhere, plotting the downfall of the scientific method. Gits.
Seriously though, we need to be vigilant against these people. The vast majority of the population do not have the knowledge of science to distinguish between creationist propaganda and proper scientific studies.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:50 pm
You'd think PA, as a blue state, would be somewhat immune to this...
I'm ashamed that my state would involved in something like this.
I actually saw a thing on The Daily during Evolution Shmevolution week where Ed Helms went to Dover, PA and made fun of the natives. There was this great running joke about the place being a historical reenactment village like colonial Williamsburg cause they are so stuck in the past down there.
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:16 pm
Well, I don't think I'm in the guild just yet, though I applied, but I shall post anyway.
I think things like this (ie that 16 year old girl mentioned in the article) wouldn't happen if public schools were just better. If they just got teachers who actually understand the theory of evolution/science in general, not teachers who go around proffessing that "the big bang was an explosion, and we evolved from monkeys."
If only, if only, they understood.
I really can't blame that girl, though, for rejecting what she learned, seeing as it was probably all untrue and silly anyway. Of course, if she actually learned what evolution really was, maybe she wouldn't be so hard-set against it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:35 am
Florayne
Well, I don't think I'm in the guild just yet, though I applied, but I shall post anyway. Sorry, I hadn't noticed any new applicants. Post away though. Florayne I think things like this (ie that 16 year old girl mentioned in the article) wouldn't happen if public schools were just better. If they just got teachers who actually understand the theory of evolution/science in general, not teachers who go around proffessing that "the big bang was an explosion, and we evolved from monkeys."
If only, if only, they understood. The same can be said of the public at large. Their attitude seems to be that the big bang means "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded" A decent education as standard should certainy help with this, but these people are the type to listen to a Preacher or Televangelist rather than a Scientist. Florayne I really can't blame that girl, though, for rejecting what she learned, seeing as it was probably all untrue and silly anyway. Of course, if she actually learned what evolution really was, maybe she wouldn't be so hard-set against it.
Agreed. Which is a big part of what the members of this guild do, educating creationists.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:01 pm
How do they plan on teaching this "intelligent design" theory?
This would contradict right of religion, because Atheists do not believe in a God.
Also, how can they be so totally stuck in their ways that they disregard all evidence?
Heh, I'm sorry for the smallness of this post, but I don't really have the expertise yet to say anything meangingful. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:58 am
[ Amputated Freckle ] How do they plan on teaching this "intelligent design" theory? Usually they add the caveat to teaching evolution that life could not have come into being by itself, and the evolutionary theory cannot explain the complexity of life as we know it. [ Amputated Freckle ] This would contradict right of religion, because Atheists do not believe in a God. Undermining secularism is kinda the idea. [ Amputated Freckle ] Also, how can they be so totally stuck in their ways that they disregard all evidence? They are mostly people who do not have the scientific education required to differentiate between fact and made up gibberish. And those that do, seem to want to ignore it. Fools. [ Amputated Freckle ] Heh, I'm sorry for the smallness of this post, but I don't really have the expertise yet to say anything meangingful. sweatdrop None of us did until we started learning about it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:46 pm
k_gilmore they are convinced that the answer to everything is "i don't know why he made it that way, he just did, and since i am right, you are wrong" Reminds me of the "Who stole the cookies from teh cookie jar?" thing that's on someone's sig... Anyway, if they try to teach that bullshit in my science class, heads will roll D:< Whatever happened to seperation of church and state? Edit: Didn't realize I had already posted here neutral
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:28 pm
[ Amputated Freckle ] k_gilmore they are convinced that the answer to everything is "i don't know why he made it that way, he just did, and since i am right, you are wrong" Reminds me of the "Who stole the cookies from teh cookie jar?" thing that's on someone's sig... That was me, but the quote is from bluewolfcub XD
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:04 pm
Yamato Aijou [ Amputated Freckle ] k_gilmore they are convinced that the answer to everything is "i don't know why he made it that way, he just did, and since i am right, you are wrong" Reminds me of the "Who stole the cookies from teh cookie jar?" thing that's on someone's sig... That was me, but the quote is from bluewolfcub XD It's brilliant. heart
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:46 am
Let me play the person who is completely undecided on the subject, and look at both ID and Evolution with scorn.
What's wrong with them teaching the 'weaker' ID. If Evolution is true, all the smart people will see it that way, and who really cares about what the lesser end of the intelligent spectrum thinks. Also, it could be good to teach them, that way they know what they are fighting against. You seemed to be scared, and I just don't see the harm it will do. On the other hand, the thing that should scare you is things like the avian flu.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:21 am
lawtonfogle Let me play the person who is completely undecided on the subject, and look at both ID and Evolution with scorn. What's wrong with them teaching the 'weaker' ID. They wish to teach it in a science classroom, it is not science. It is a part of a sustained assault on science teaching in america, first attempting to teach creationsim, then with creationist disclaimers, and now ID. They are not interested in fairness, or "equal footing for competing theories", just pushing their religious views on children. lawtonfogle If Evolution is true, all the smart people will see it that way, and who really cares about what the lesser end of the intelligent spectrum thinks. I truly hope you are kidding. The vast majority of people are suceptable to this if not educated properly. And they have far more voting power than this "intellectual elite" you seem to think is a good idea. lawtonfogle Also, it could be good to teach them, that way they know what they are fighting against. As a part of a degree level philosophical anomalies class? Sure teach away. As a aprt og high school science? No. People at that stage of their education are, mostly, not ready to properly question any theory. And are probably going to be easily overcome by creationist rhetoric. lawtonfogle You seemed to be scared, and I just don't see the harm it will do. On the other hand, the thing that should scare you is things like the avian flu. Afraid that a couple of hundred years of human intellectual advancement and study could be wiped out at a stroke? That the backwards looking, far-right, conservative zealots are gaining more power in america? Well yes. That would be a terrible thing for man-kind. As for avian flu... it's a periodic happening, not much I can do about it until we know the details about the next pandemic.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:35 pm
I find it wrong that now they have to teach students what most of them (might) find offensive. Just like forcing your religion in some one elses face and saying YOU MUST OBEY!
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:17 pm
[ Amputated Freckle ] How do they plan on teaching this "intelligent design" theory? This would contradict right of religion, because Atheists do not believe in a God. Also, how can they be so totally stuck in their ways that they disregard all evidence? Heh, I'm sorry for the smallness of this post, but I don't really have the expertise yet to say anything meangingful. sweatdrop You aren't alone. I can't really say anything meaningful, but I am an Atheist. I've actually been downsized, disrepescted, and discriminated for this by teachers and students alike, but as to go about abruptly changing the way something is taught is absurd! Even if it might be a much religion based area doesn't mean that one should change another's education for their beliefs. I'm not saying I believe in evolution or anything, but the area is just silly.
@ Silent: I agree. It's like Jehovah's witnesses pounding at your door.
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