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Closing the guild stops the fun. yes.

For the people doing the harrassment, too. Nymphie (and I) explained this already. It's not her fault you're not willing to listen.

This pissed you off right? It pissed everyone off, yeah?
Guess who else is pissed off? THE HARRASSERS.

It's not catching them that's the point, it's that now there's a way to punish them.

Harrassers do it for the lulz, not to ruin people's fun. When the guild is closed, there's no more lulz. End of story.

Q, I definitely see your prowess with understanding how people think; here and in Toastie's thread, I see exactly how you've got the mindset of our "troublemakers" pinned down... However, I have to disagree with the part about the closing pissing off the harassers and forcing them to stop. They'll just go elsewhere... over pm's, over im's, over mules in other parts of Gaia... I mean, to them, as it really is to the rest of us, it's not a bad punishment... Not even a slap on the wrist... and when the 3 days comes back up, they'll be up to no good again...

And, yes, I see how their friends are going to be in on it... however, their friends probably have the same, if not a similar mindset as the actual perp, and will probably share the whole "We got the guild closed, screwed all the goody-two-shoes over! Hahaha!" mentality...

And I'm sorry, but I have to side with the part of the guild that says that the "mass bannings" do no good. I mean, if I were a troublemaker in the position ours are now, it would just be "more LULZ" kind of thing... (then again, starting up "crap" isn't my M.O., so that comment should probably be taken with a grain of salt... ^_^( ) ) As in the classroom setting, with the candy thieves... they may not be able to steal candy, but they'll find a way to steal other things, or bully other kids, or cause trouble in other ways. Unless the perp is SINGLED OUT and SUFFERS A SUBSTANTIAL PUNISHMENT that fits the "crime"... they're not going to change... ._. (though I wish otherwise...)

And to reply to Nymphie's comment... even though the people doing right may not have done anything wrong... it causes them to go back, and worry about "this time" or "that time" where they might have hurt someone's feelings, or been too brash, or just accidentally said something they shouldn't... And they're being punished for someone else's actions, which is NOT right by ANY interpretation... Oh, and though this is contrary to my argument, I do say that "aiding by ignorance" IS a reason for punishment... meaning if someone knows it's going on, and does NOTHING about it, then they should be held accountable... And, I know that there are at least some people here that probably fit that description... But, I know of more that don't... that have tried to do something, that stood up.... and have wound up "punished" with everyone else... (e.g. the crew, at the least)

And finally, on the topic of doing something, I'm going to reiterate that although I may not necessarily agree with the method used here, I DO agree with the fact that action has been taken. And really, that alone is enough to frighten at least some of the troublemakers... Knowing that you're not sitting there idly, letting it happen, instead you're actually trying to catch them, trying to punish them... For that, I'm glad, and you have my thanks...

(and sorry if a lot of this was just me saying what I said before, I just wanted to clarify and rephrase my stance... ^_^)

~Sibby

This thread really makes me enjoy tl;dr. D:

Uhm, being a new member, I probably don't know much, and I didn't see any of the harassment really. I saw the thread with Im Never So Clever, but that was really it. I admit, I know nearly nothing about majority of what is going on.

What I do know is that I really enjoy the GCSG. This is what I do know for a definite yes. A positivity of all positives. The biggest confirmation stamp. I've had a lot of fun in there. I first got to play Gaian Assassins, run by Monotone. I really enjoy it, it's well made, and I totally had fun with `Manifest and Kheyre the Shining knight, the others in the final three I was in. Next, I played GCSG. I missed the first day, but I got a call, from Briana, Meiko_Michan, my girlfriend. She told me that I really had to check my IM box. I HAD A ROLE! I WAS THE DNR! I WAS SO EXCITED! Though I was not the best DNR at all, I did good, and I had fun. I got voted out. I continued. I ventured into the subforums, Sniped D and I Am Me. I started expanding my name past just that guy with the ninja band, scar, gills, and nitemare collar, not that I know or not if any of you knew me by that. In closing, I had a lot of fun. I am highly anticipating a new game, with a new GM. After a few more games, I want to GM myself. I REALLY like GCSG.

Now, where I am going with this is my sadness with it going down. Yeah, yeah, it's just intrawebs don't get sad, yadda, yadda, yadda, but I find it to be more. The people, the COMMUNITY! I experienced nothing bad, or I was oblivious to it. And if it was the latter, I am glad I was. And if it continues to be the latter, I will be happy. I enjoy the GCSG, and I want to continue to enjoy it. At the same time, I want it to stop, because I don't want everyone else to suffer why I obliviously vote vote vote, become a role and scheme, vote, make I Am Me and Sniped D posts and threads, vote, and vote. I want the rest of the community which I so much enjoyed to be happy.

I know for a gain you need a sacrifice. Every white cloud is shaded in grey, and every grey cloud is lined in silver. Equality everywhere, a balance. Thus, prices have to be paid for what I ultimately want, a happy community in which I can share my times. I want the harassments to stop, and I want them to stop now. I trust Nymphie is doing the right thing. I have the right to voice my opinion if I do or don't like it, just as we all do. And Nymphie has the power to ignore it if she wishes, and go on with her initial plan. I know this about life. Leaders must make choices, and they can not please all their followers.

On a side note, I know I'm just a newbie GCSG, but I'd TOTALLY love to be crew. I want to help the guild. I want to enjoy the guild and others to enjoy it with me.

tl;dr: THERE IS NO TL;DR! READ IT! D< BWAHAHAHA!

PS: As for everything, I support Nymphie.

But, you're assuming they have a conscience. You're assuming that they take the internet seriously.

I wouldn't play a practical joke on somebody knowing that I may end up feeling guilty. I wouldn't "troll" unless I knew I wasn't going to feel bad. Like my Sniper Game Elite mule, I was being mean, I WANTED to be meaner, but I knew I was going to feel bad, and it would be WAY out of character for me, and I didn't want people to think I was a lameoid behind a mule.

You know, now, I kinda agree with Nymphie for closing the guild, NOW people will be a little more proactive when it comes to harassment, so it'll be stopped and stuff. Because NOBODY wants this to happen again, and if they do... then... well, THEN they'd need to get RL friends. talk2hand

I wasn't planning to comment on this, but fter reading the whole thread...

The SG isn't a democracy? THEN WHAT IS IT? A democracy, today, is never by the meaning of the word: it's not the people, but the goverment who is deciding on the majority of issues. But it's still democratic, and transparent to some extent. In Sweden, you can check the e-mail of government members if you feel like it. In Germany, you can watch all the decision making through a glass roof-kind-of-thing and sometimes even be right there with all the politicians on the Besuchertribüne.

So what I'm saying: More transparency = more democracy = people more content. Because right now, you can flame me Nymphie, but I feel like you want to move towards a even-more-behind-the-doors oligarchy.

That makes me want to throw up. It reminds me of things here. Which I escape from with going here.

... Why the did the crew know who was what the 2nd day of the game anyways? You all were playing. You didn't need to know that because nothing happened. I remember the person made the thread "SO AND SO AND THIS GUY ARE SUSPICIOUS," but nothing happened as a result of that.

Hint Nymphie: To deal with the harassment, Go to a REAL MOD. Don't just pretend to solve it yourself by dragging everyone else into the mess.
But Shoy! What about the mules?
Real mods have the power do to IP and stuff. They see mules as other users.
Okay, now what about the AIM Harassment?
We had one case of that. And in the end they just started gifting it to the Post Secret Mule. Thus, there was a mule sending it, and Mods can trace gifts. Sometimes you have to ignore it until they stick their self in a place that you can do something about it.

I was thinking about making another guild... but I am broke... emo