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 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:48 pm
why can't they just call it "Christian metal"?
i guess probably because lyrics don't define a genre?
bah. whatever. it's still rock n roll to me.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:42 pm
MegaTherion777 why can't they just call it "Christian metal"? i guess probably because lyrics don't define a genre? bah. whatever. it's still rock n roll to me. You cant just call it Christian metal because that would mean that it is a new kind of metal when it is really metal with different lyrics.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:12 pm
Gravechild6 MegaTherion777 why can't they just call it "Christian metal"? i guess probably because lyrics don't define a genre? bah. whatever. it's still rock n roll to me. You cant just call it Christian metal because that would mean that it is a new kind of metal when it is really metal with different lyrics. as i said: it's still rock n roll to me.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:22 pm
im lazy to read the whole conversation. all i can say is i dont like much black metal, and the few bands i do like happen to be Christian. and i like them cause they are great, not only for being Christian. most of you say Christian black metal is wrong cause BM was created to go AGAINST Christianism, but God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrsitians whining about anti-Christians using Gods creation (music) against Him.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:44 am
i don't say it's wrong. i just say it's got a different cultural background, and i think the Christians could better get their message across if they didnt associate themselves with a style of music that is anti-Christian, and at times violently so.
if you had me listen to an HUBM band, i wouldn't say it was wrong. in fact i would probably like it. but i just think that associating themselves with BM kinda defeats the point of the message in the lyrics.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:04 pm
Victum Soul im lazy to read the whole conversation. all i can say is i dont like much black metal, and the few bands i do like happen to be Christian. and i like them cause they are great, not only for being Christian. most of you say Christian black metal is wrong cause BM was created to go AGAINST Christianism, but God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrsitians whining about anti-Christians using Gods creation (music) against Him. err... ok... stare We better do not start mixing up more theological stuff here or this whole conversation could become quite bizarre... The point is what MegaTherion77 repeated up there.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:07 pm
-Hittokiri_04- In a way Christian Black Metal isn't Black Metal. Many Christian Black Metal bands want to be refer to as HUBM or White Metal. Since they do not share the same ideologies as some Black Metal bands do. So can we just refer Christian Black Metal as HUBM? I understand that playing Dark music as a Christian may seem contradictory but this is actually a way to reach people and get them listening. Rather than listening to a message of violence and hate they are listening to one of hope and salvation. Again a reason why they consider themselves HUBM instead of Black Metal. hehe....not all Christian music is ment to be for ecouragement......lots of HUBM bands have violent lyrics, BUT it is a HOLY anger, directed at Satan, and all he stands for, which is the reason for the sound, it is powerful, and against evil, it just sounds harsh and nocturnal.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:04 am
Etherealemblem hehe....not all christian music is ment to be for ecouragement......lots of HUBM bands have violent lyrics, BUT it is a HOLY anger, directed at Satan, and all he stands for, which is the reason for the sound, it is powerful, and against evil, it just sounds harsh and nocturnal... AND EVIL =P
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:21 pm
Lomedin Victum Soul im lazy to read the whole conversation. all i can say is i dont like much black metal, and the few bands i do like happen to be Christian. and i like them cause they are great, not only for being christian. most of you say Christian black metal is wrong cause BM was created to go AGAINST Christianism, but God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrisitians whining about anti-Christians using Gods creation (music) against Him. err... ok... stare We better do not start mixing up more theological stuff here or this whole conversation could become quite bizarre... The point is what MegaTherion77 repeated up there. you decided to read my post in a theological way. I say Christians are very convinced of what they believe, if they are so sure they would have a good reason to get mad, but they dont.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:40 pm
Victum Soul you decided to read my post in a theological way. I say Christians are very convinced of what they believe, if they are so sure they would have a good reason to get mad, but they dont. No, u assume that God exists and he created music... You can believe whatever u want, but do not confuse faith with axioms. i dont understand what u mean in your last sentence. Anyway, this is what i meant with theological stuff. We are not talking about HUBM now but religion and God... the system belief thread is used for that
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:06 pm
Lomedin Victum Soul you decided to read my post in a theological way. I say Christians are very convinced of what they believe, if they are so sure they would have a good reason to get mad, but they dont. No, u assume that god exists and he created music... You can believe whatever u want, but do not confuse faith with axioms. i dont understand what u mean in your last sentence. Anyway, this is what i meant with theological stuff. We are not talking about HUBM now but religion and God... the system belief thread is used for that no dude, you assumed I believed in God, I remained neutral. Im saying that antiChristians say BM is only to go against church and God, but that doesn't make it true. The same with Christians, no matter if it's true or not that God exists, they are sure He does, but they are have no problem with antiChristians using the music that they surely believe their God created
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:39 pm
Victum Soul Lomedin Victum Soul you decided to read my post in a theological way. I say Christians are very convinced of what they believe, if they are so sure they would have a good reason to get mad, but they dont. No, u assume that God exists and he created music... You can believe whatever u want, but do not confuse faith with axioms. i dont understand what u mean in your last sentence. Anyway, this is what i meant with theological stuff. We are not talking about HUBM now but religion and God... the system belief thread is used for that no dude, you assumed I believed in God, I remained neutral. Im saying that antiChristians say BM is only to go against church and God, but that doesn't make it true. The same with Christians, no matter if it's true or not that God exists, they are sure He does, but they are have no problem with antiChristians using the music that they surely believe their God created hmmm... interesting point. i don't think BM is strictly to go against Christianity. its a revival of that old pagan culture, so really, Christianity is more against the culture of BM. of course there are numerous exceptions on both sides of the issue, but i'm tired so i'm gonna give up on this till tomorrow.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:45 am
Etherealemblem -Hittokiri_04- In a way Christian Black Metal isn't Black Metal. Many Christian Black Metal bands want to be refer to as HUBM or White Metal. Since they do not share the same ideologies as some Black Metal bands do. So can we just refer Christian Black Metal as HUBM? I understand that playing Dark music as a Christian may seem contradictory but this is actually a way to reach people and get them listening. Rather than listening to a message of violence and hate they are listening to one of hope and salvation. Again a reason why they consider themselves HUBM instead of Black Metal. hehe....not all Christian music is ment to be for ecouragement......lots of HUBM bands have violent lyrics, BUT it is a HOLY anger, directed at Satan, and all he stands for, which is the reason for the sound, it is powerful, and against evil, it just sounds harsh and nocturnal. But isn't that still encouragement. Encouraging the fight against Satan?
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:26 am
I did ignore most of the posts here, this is just my initial thought.
I think black metal has progressed far enough to be able to let go of the usual conventions of yesteryear. If it can progress musically to the point where it can move away from the typical black metal sound and not sound like Darkthrone clone #523 or Bathory worship #819, what's to stop it from taking a different lyrical standpoint? As a whole, I think black metal needs to stop taking itself so seriously, 'cause in reality it was created by a bunch of pissed off kids saying "******** you" to the world in another form of rebellion.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:51 pm
The War Starter I did ignore most of the posts here, this is just my initial thought. I think black metal has progressed far enough to be able to let go of the usual conventions of yesteryear. If it can progress musically to the point where it can move away from the typical black metal sound and not sound like Darkthrone clone #523 or Bathory worship #819, what's to stop it from taking a different lyrical standpoint? As a whole, I think black metal needs to stop taking itself so seriously, 'cause in reality it was created by a bunch of pissed off kids saying "******** you" to the world in another form of rebellion. well i agree that most BM bands could use a sense of humor... and yeah a lot of bands do sound like clones. but a lot of bands are really original too - bathory, satyricon, gorgoroth, darkthrone, emperor, mayhem all sound different. the newer bands need to stop copying these guys and do their own thing. but at the same time, some aspects of the genre do need to be taken seriously. i guess it's up to the individual how much should be taken seriously though.
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