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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:33 pm
Aruil hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Hep-B, how about you work yourself up to being a crew and see how easy it is to say that then? Crew don't just RP. They RP their own RPCs, NPCs, develop plots, start missions, teach new kids how to play, review profiles, argue over changes to the system, and read over every post of every member in their village. All so that some kids that they don't know and will never know can have some fun in a fantasy world. If they had to live up to what you believe that should be then they wouldn't have time to do as much as they already do. Which is already too much. So shut up and sit down. You miss understand me. I'm just saying when they rp their npc's they should at least have a decent sized paragraph. Which if they can keep up with all of the other stuff that you have listed then they should be able to do that at least. I know being a crew can be hard but, it's no excuse for being a lazy crew.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:48 pm
Nope, sounds like I understand you fully.
There isn't any lazy crew in the guild. At least not in the last five years I've been around. They write shorter posts so that they can move a plot or interaction or some other kids' role play along. They do it because they don't have the time to sit in front of their computer to write up a large post but they don't want that kid to lose their ability to continue on RPing and thereby their interest in the guild. They want the player to stay engaged, they aren't lazy.
As a side note, your lofty views would serve Konoha well. You and Proto would get along fine.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:55 pm
hedpefan Aruil hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Hep-B, how about you work yourself up to being a crew and see how easy it is to say that then? Crew don't just RP. They RP their own RPCs, NPCs, develop plots, start missions, teach new kids how to play, review profiles, argue over changes to the system, and read over every post of every member in their village. All so that some kids that they don't know and will never know can have some fun in a fantasy world. If they had to live up to what you believe that should be then they wouldn't have time to do as much as they already do. Which is already too much. So shut up and sit down. You miss understand me. I'm just saying when they rp their npc's they should at least have a decent sized paragraph. Which if they can keep up with all of the other stuff that you have listed then they should be able to do that at least. I know being a crew can be hard but, it's no excuse for being a lazy crew. No, he didn't misunderstand you. You called crew lazy, he responded with what crew does aside from RPing, and then you respond by calling crew lazy again. Anyway, there are a few issues... to do as you suggest would assume a few things. As Aruil pointed out, it would assume that crew emembers are not busy taking care of things and have the time to do more. It would assume that crew is okay with doing double the RP with all of their PCs and NPCs and still only get normal XP and stat/skill rewards(in cases of training and missions for PCs only). Double the RP work, on top of all the other work, for the same reward. Not much incentive there. Now, I, personally, don't mind posting more. That's because when I started the bare minimum was at least 4 lines, and the rewards for posting more than that was actually worht it. (There was issues with grading by the line, because screen resolutions for different graders was different... so some people would see 2 lines, some 4 lines, and some 6 lines all depending. That's when the word count grading came in, since word count isn't affected by screen resolution and there were good rewards for lots of posting and posting paragraphs. Unfortunately that stopped because the people who didn't want to posts that much couldn't catch up with the few who could post a lot, and the min lines and grading system is as it is now due to alterations from that point to now).
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:55 pm
Aruil hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Hep-B, how about you work yourself up to being a crew and see how easy it is to say that then? Crew don't just RP. They RP their own RPCs, NPCs, develop plots, start missions, teach new kids how to play, review profiles, argue over changes to the system, and read over every post of every member in their village. All so that some kids that they don't know and will never know can have some fun in a fantasy world. If they had to live up to what you believe that should be then they wouldn't have time to do as much as they already do. Which is already too much. So shut up and sit down. Aruil, quit being mean to the new members. Asking people to crank out a few extra lines is not asking a lot. Especially as I am sure that his comment was aimed at Qyp's post in the Kumo academy. Now, that said Aruil. All of what you say is not true. A lot of times, they share those responsibilities. I have helped several members from Oto and Kiri with their profiles, so that by the time they hit the Kage's, there was nothing wrong with them. I have also played NPCs in Kiri on countless occasions as well as ran plot lines. Don't pretend like Kage's bear all of the load, because half of them barely do anything except roleplay anymore.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:59 pm
Aruil isn't being mean to the new members, and both of them were giving an "in general" response. I'm sure if Hep meant specifically Qyp then he would say so instead of pointing at crew as a whole, right?
I think a line increase for everyone is a good idea... 2 as a minimum is way too little, even for new guys who are able to awesomely churn out more than that in the RP academy. Everyone can do it. *Rin believes in them!*
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:17 pm
Rin Kairiu Aruil isn't being mean to the new members, and both of them were giving an "in general" response. I'm sure if Hep meant specifically Qyp then he would say so instead of pointing at crew as a whole, right? I think a line increase for everyone is a good idea... 2 as a minimum is way too little, even for new guys who are able to awesomely churn out more than that in the RP academy. Everyone can do it. *Rin believes in them!* I didn't point out Qyp because it reflects on the whole crew not just him. Also, maybe the bare minimum should be 4 not 5. I personally don't think that it is that much because it's only about a couple more minutes of typing but, if it's really going to cause that much trouble then nevermind. Another thing I've seen rules twisted and broken for just crew members but, not for members. It's hypocritical and is bad. I'm not going to point out names because once again it reflects on the whole guild.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:18 pm
Rin Kairiu Aruil isn't being mean to the new members, and both of them were giving an "in general" response. I'm sure if Hep meant specifically Qyp then he would say so instead of pointing at crew as a whole, right? I think a line increase for everyone is a good idea... 2 as a minimum is way too little, even for new guys who are able to awesomely churn out more than that in the RP academy. Everyone can do it. *Rin believes in them!* The current requirement is 4 lines in the edit window, which on most displays comes out to two lines after posting. And I do think that telling a new member to "Sit down and shut up" is being mean.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:33 pm
hedpefan Rin Kairiu Aruil isn't being mean to the new members, and both of them were giving an "in general" response. I'm sure if Hep meant specifically Qyp then he would say so instead of pointing at crew as a whole, right? I think a line increase for everyone is a good idea... 2 as a minimum is way too little, even for new guys who are able to awesomely churn out more than that in the RP academy. Everyone can do it. *Rin believes in them!* I didn't point out Qyp because it reflects on the whole crew not just him. Also, maybe the bare minimum should be 4 not 5. I personally don't think that it is that much because it's only about a couple more minutes of typing but, if it's really going to cause that much trouble then nevermind. Another thing I've seen rules twisted and broken for just crew members but, not for members. It's hypocritical and is bad. I'm not going to point out names because once again it reflects on the whole guild. By that logic what you post reflects on all non-crew members, not just you. And you're right, it's not much. However, in order to make things "fair" RP requirements have to stay the same for everyone, unless people want a seperate grading thing for crew and non crew to cover for the different requirements. @ Sage: Most displays, yeah, but as I mentioned before... there was still screen resolution issues in the past with grading. *shrugs* And saying "sit down and shut up" really isn't that bad, especially when it's compared to your shining example of how guild members are treated.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:42 pm
Aruil Nope, sounds like I understand you fully. There isn't any lazy crew in the guild. At least not in the last five years I've been around. They write shorter posts so that they can move a plot or interaction or some other kids' role play along. They do it because they don't have the time to sit in front of their computer to write up a large post but they don't want that kid to lose their ability to continue on RPing and thereby their interest in the guild. They want the player to stay engaged, they aren't lazy. As a side note, your lofty views would serve Konoha well. You and Proto would get along fine. Get along with Proto?.......hahahahaha......Also, I could name a couple crew members that I believe are lazy but, I am ending this conversation because I don't care anymore.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:43 pm
hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Edit: I can provide examples if requested. No. In addition, this is not the place to bring this up.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:51 pm
Man... maybe someday I'll get to the point in my life where I think I'm so important that I can say I'm done with a conversation instead of resolving it to the end. Meh.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:00 pm
Nura Tai hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Edit: I can provide examples if requested. No. In addition, this is not the place to bring this up. Understood. Where should I bring it up then?
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:10 pm
hedpefan Nura Tai hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Edit: I can provide examples if requested. No. In addition, this is not the place to bring this up. Understood. Where should I bring it up then? Probably the Questions and Suggestions thread.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:23 pm
Rin Kairiu hedpefan Nura Tai hedpefan I would like to propose a new rule. I think that the 2 line minimum is great and all for members but, I believe that it is too short for crew members. Crew members are the people that us regular old members look up to for assistance. When regular members see that a crew has posted something at the bare minimum it reflects poorly on the whole guild. Now, I'll get straight to the point. I believe that the crew member rp minimum shouldn't be 2 lines. It should be atleast 5. Thank you for your time. Edit: I can provide examples if requested. No. In addition, this is not the place to bring this up. Understood. Where should I bring it up then? Probably the Questions and Suggestions thread. If you have any suggestions about rules, system changes, been abused by other members, or in general have a complaint, pm the crew.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:58 pm
The minimum lines are for training... nothing else.
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