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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:57 am


Teh_Sheba
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KitasIII
Hey guys, how have you been? I'm sorry I haven't come here much. Anyway, I've mentioned before that I have a friend who's a hardcore Kataanger. Well anyway, most of the time I think she's pretty rude about Zutara (not to me, of course). So, she recently made a journal that I was kinda offended by (she's pretty much laughing at us Zutarians) and I'm not sure how to respond to it. I was wondering if anyone could provide some help, or maybe open her eyes in a polite, civil way so she doesn't have to think so badly of us. If anyone is able to help, I'd really appreciate it. <3

Here's the link: http://waterbenderbunny.deviantart.com/journal/17587414/#journal

Thanks in advance. =)
I gave her a good talking to. 3nodding Hopefully some of my arguements can open her eyes and her mind a little.

Oh, and Teh_Sheba? Yeah, she sort of bashed one of your pictures and the comment connected to it. Dx

lol, yeah, I just noticed and had myself a little giggle and a shake of my head^^

I'll add a little something as soon as I can grab a moment after my homework is done! *Diligently throws herself back to said homework*


She had no right to bash your picture since it's so freaking amazing. u_u

Gah, I still have homework to do, also. >_> *Goes off to write a lab report*
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:34 pm


RockyRoadSmith
Teh_Sheba
rachaella22
KitasIII
Hey guys, how have you been? I'm sorry I haven't come here much. Anyway, I've mentioned before that I have a friend who's a hardcore Kataanger. Well anyway, most of the time I think she's pretty rude about Zutara (not to me, of course). So, she recently made a journal that I was kinda offended by (she's pretty much laughing at us Zutarians) and I'm not sure how to respond to it. I was wondering if anyone could provide some help, or maybe open her eyes in a polite, civil way so she doesn't have to think so badly of us. If anyone is able to help, I'd really appreciate it. <3

Here's the link: http://waterbenderbunny.deviantart.com/journal/17587414/#journal

Thanks in advance. =)
I gave her a good talking to. 3nodding Hopefully some of my arguements can open her eyes and her mind a little.

Oh, and Teh_Sheba? Yeah, she sort of bashed one of your pictures and the comment connected to it. Dx

lol, yeah, I just noticed and had myself a little giggle and a shake of my head^^

I'll add a little something as soon as I can grab a moment after my homework is done! *Diligently throws herself back to said homework*


She had no right to bash your picture since it's so freaking amazing. u_u

Gah, I still have homework to do, also. >_> *Goes off to write a lab report*

Aww, thank you! *huggles*
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I'm really not surprised that it happened, though. I'm getting pretty used to the Kataangers getting ansty and insulted when we find something, especially in such a seemingly Kataang episode, that can be used to support us.
We just see things, so much differently, that we don't make sense to each other, or something. It's really strange how all this stuff is obvious to us, and yet, they refuse to see it.

Teh_Sheba


anitasakura
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:54 pm


There may be a chance that she tried not to offend but then again she could have phrase things a little differently. I dislike that if a fandom has a few rabid fans then the entire group is labeled as rabid. Another thing is we Zutarians do not see everything the same way. For example my friend and I don't think that Katara and Ursa look the same but I know that others think so and thats okay, but I wish others would see that while we Zutarians may like and think similarly, we are not all sharing the same brain.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:02 pm


i think its good to praise those who don't bash

http://wishsong214.deviantart.com/art/Zutarian-Zealots-66961762




sorry to interrupt the conversation. i just wanted to post this.

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anitasakura
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:24 pm


I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:32 am


anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>

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KitasIII

PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:14 pm


RockyRoadSmith
anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>


Don't worry, you're not alone. >_>
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:14 am


KitasIII
RockyRoadSmith
anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>


Don't worry, you're not alone. >_>


We should make those. XD Or we should find something close to that on Gaia and walk around Towns chanting about Zutara. X3

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:57 pm


RockyRoadSmith
KitasIII
RockyRoadSmith
anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>


Don't worry, you're not alone. >_>


We should make those. XD Or we should find something close to that on Gaia and walk around Towns chanting about Zutara. X3



i think we should set a date and time and walk around towns talking about zutara. we could wear red and blue.... ^_^
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:24 pm


zukpager305
RockyRoadSmith
KitasIII
RockyRoadSmith
anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>


Don't worry, you're not alone. >_>


We should make those. XD Or we should find something close to that on Gaia and walk around Towns chanting about Zutara. X3



i think we should set a date and time and walk around towns talking about zutara. we could wear red and blue.... ^_^
How about the day it happens on the show.

anitasakura
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zukpager305
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:14 pm


anitasakura
zukpager305
RockyRoadSmith
KitasIII
RockyRoadSmith
anitasakura
I don't know but I think that cartoon robe wearers like those zutarian zealots are cute.


I kind of want one of those robes. >_>


Don't worry, you're not alone. >_>


We should make those. XD Or we should find something close to that on Gaia and walk around Towns chanting about Zutara. X3



i think we should set a date and time and walk around towns talking about zutara. we could wear red and blue.... ^_^
How about the day it happens on the show.


heck yes!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:29 pm


So, Kitas, about this friend of yours and her journal...

I left my response, and I got an interesting question in her response:


KyokoMari
lol, somehow I knew when I put up my picture that someone would jump on and complain about it...

Ok, I think, given from your arguments against Zutara above and what you are getting from the arts you pointed out, that you're missing circumstances and contexts.

The Motivational poster pic, that one is really more for fun. It's a joke really. Yes, we have our own opinions on all this stuff, but there we were really just having fun with it.

The second one, by Mizsweet? Ok, that's actually very reasonable if you think about it. If you had a story, and were telling it to masses of fans, would you want the ending ruined for those fans because of one of your animators or whatever? They do have a contract to keep quiet about certain things. They may think Kataang is going to happen, and they are free to express that opinion, however as to the REAL ending of the show, be it Kataang or not, is to remain a mystery.

And as to my picture, well, It's just that my, and so many other's opinion's, is that that's what Katara's reaction means. I mean, EVEN mike and Bryan confirmed that there was ambiguity in that little look, her reaction. It's not even just that, all of Katara's reactions have beeen debatable, Kataang, for all the time it has, really doesn't have that much in terms of development. It developes a little, then it disappears. I mean, this is what I've noticed from watching! Kataang has always seemed so one-sided to me. I mean, that's my opinion, and it's the opinion of a lot of other people.

Also, I was referring to a trick used commonly in story telling, called Juxtaposing. Including two like actions to show either similarity or difference. That's a trick of the trade, and Mike And Bryan are no strangers to it. That's my reasoning to it.

And....just because it's our opinion, doesn't mean we are "on something" especially not Frebreeze. Eew. It doesn't mean that we deserve all this generalization and stereotyping, and frankly, BASHING. You're calling us idiots and stupid, so don't even try to say that's not bashing. There's really no excuse for it, and it makes you look quite childish, in my opinion.

I mean, even if you're not calling ALL of us Zutarians idiots, you're still calling someone idiots. And just because you're not bashing all of us doesn't make it right.

I for one, believe that Zutara will happen. but I'm reasonable about it, I have logical ideas and reasons to why it can and will work, ideas of scenarios that will occur in the next episodes that will develop it,, and believe it or not, Zutara can tie into this story. Zutarians are a lot more logical and smart than people give them credit for. Just a little word in all of our defense.


Waterbenderbunny
I'm completely aware that the people on the show staff are not allowed to reveal anything, I've spoken with Dave Roman. He says that they're not even allowed to read fanfiction because people frequently come up with similar things to what happens in canon and that if they could read fanfiction there could be all this legal garbage if someone accused them of stealing their idea. No official statement has been made point blank that "the series is going to end in kataang." There have been hints, fanservice, and teasing of Zutara fans, but neither Mike or Bryan has said anything directly. I guess they assume that people actually watch what's on the screen. And just because people have made strong hints at Kataang doesn't mean it automatically can't happen. They haven't given away any details of future events. For example, the end of CoD and the DoBS kiss surprised me with the epic quality and thought put into those scenes. I wouldn't have guessed at those events ahead of time.

I'm not bashing, just being heavily sarcastic. I'm completely aware you're mad at me, but I'm going to tell you I'm not a nasty person, and bashing is directly being mean. I'm saying that the ideas are so ridiculous that they seem idiotic to me, and as a logical person they drive me crazy. I've had bashing comments on my pictures, with comments like "NoooooOOOOOOOoooooooooo becuz Kataang suuuuuuuuuucks" and I certainly am not doing that, nor am I going to drop to that level. If you notice my comments, I have not told one person they suck or that I hate them, nor have I sweared at people; I have only made remarks that refer to events in the show that have happened, things that nobody can say didn't unless they were wearing a blindfold.

And yes, I find a lot of these theories very funny. I'm not going to say that I don't. They used to make me angry and nervous back before CoD when things seemed uncertain, but now people have seemed to twist the plot so much in support of the "symbolism" they find that they are ignoring what is actually happening completely. I'm at the top of my English class, I can recognize symbolism, trust me on that. But a lot of theories I see are ridiculous, making me wonder how people possibly come up with that kind of stuff, or if they are even watching the same show.

That picture you drew was well drawn and a keen observation; I'm just saying I think that observation is overlooking the theme of love transcending lifetimes that was stressed as much as possible in Avatar and the Firelord. And I don't really relate those two scenes; if anything, I would relate the scene in the Avatar and the Firelord to when Katara looks to the side and smiles in CoTL. The blush after the kiss was a blush of surprise and uncertainly, maybe even Katara feeling guilty, because she doesn't want to get in the way of Aang saving the world.

Hm, childish. I'll keep that in mind. Why don't you ask some people who have met me what they make of that comment?


I was actually really surprised that, given how you alerting us was how I got into answering the post in the first place, that she would ask me about someone who knew her...

And, Ok, I wouldn't say she's axactly childish, but I see anyone who bashes as at least ACTING childish, you know?

But anyway...given circumstances and you being unsure of what to do about her...I thought I'd bring it to you and see if you have anything to say about it or whatnot before I reply.

Teh_Sheba


zukpager305
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:36 pm


Quote:
No official statement has been made point blank that "the series is going to end in kataang."


But no official statement has said the series will end with zutara either.

Quote:
I'm completely aware you're mad at me, but I'm going to tell you I'm not a nasty person, and bashing is directly being mean…. "NoooooOOOOOOOoooooooooo becuz Kataang suuuuuuuuuucks"


Just because she doesn’t speak in “chat speak” doesn’t mean she is not bashing.

Quote:

I'm at the top of my English class, I can recognize symbolism, trust me on that.


Sorry, but arrogant much? Anyways, if she can recognize symbolism, then why can’t she see the zutarian symbolism? ATLA bombards its views with the kataang stuff, but also with fire/water yin/yang stuff. Although it may not be blatant zutara to the blind eye, the symbolism still exists. It seems she doesn’t want “open her mind to the possibilities” (which is zutarian symbolism in and of itself, haha).

Quote:
I'm just saying I think that observation is overlooking the theme of love transcending lifetimes that was stressed as much as possible in Avatar and the Firelord.


So that thing with zuko being roku’s descendant means nothing??


From her journal:
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But the more life experience I have, the more I see idiots who think they have everything figured out and will debate their claim endlessly.


Then what is she doing with writing a journal about kataang and defending it against the “stupid”, the “idiots”, and “insane”?



Sorry, Kitas, but I don’t like your friend. She is a basher, even if she doesn’t admit it. Kinda like Spootay… at least, Spootay in her denial faze.



Teh Sheba, I think the last comment about asking someone she knows may just be chalked up the her personality. Maybe it validates her somehow and she thinks all her friends would stand up for her?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:47 pm


whoa, hard core kataanger doesn't even begin to describe your friend!!

http://waterbenderbunny.deviantart.com/art/Shipping-Meme-70492831

its unloyal to bryke to ship zutara??? say what now!? sweatdrop

zukpager305
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Teh_Sheba

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:43 pm


The thing is, yes, I agree with all you've said, Zukpager, and really, the thing that bothers me about Waterbenderbunny, and other bashers in general, is that they're just throwing this stuff out. They're not considering the feelings of people they know. Waterbenderbunny doesn't know that she's hurting her friend Kitas, or that Kitas is coming to us for help because she's so unsure and afraid of what to do!!

I mean, Honestly, Kitas, I don't know how much of a friend this person is to you, if you know her in real life or how deep that all goes, but really, she should respect you a lot more than that. You shouldn't be afraid of saying something to her, because that's not how it should be! If you have made your feelings known before or anything, but she still does this, I do not agree with her continuing to say these things if they hurt you and if she at all values your friendship.
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