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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:53 pm
Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura, I think I have a deathwish... ...What makes you say that all of a sudden? XDBecause I still have THAT picture of Azriel... ...Why. emotion_facepalm It is forever immoralized... Muck like everyone probably wishes your own picture was... XD The greatest mystery of the TOS guild is YOUR face...
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:56 pm
Korsall Kaiser Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura, I think I have a deathwish... ...What makes you say that all of a sudden? XDBecause I still have THAT picture of Azriel... ...Why. emotion_facepalm It is forever immoralized... Muck like everyone probably wishes your own picture was... XD The greatest mystery of the TOS guild is YOUR face... But why are you still keeping it.
Did you not catch my post on Tumblr about how it isn't to Chase anymore? rofl Oh wait, he isn't in the guild anymore. But still.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:00 pm
Maybe it's because I just got done watching TruBlood with my cousin, but....What picture, and why did you make it sound like it was a naughty one? sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:10 pm
Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura Cantarella Korsall Kaiser Azura Cantarella ...What makes you say that all of a sudden? XD Because I still have THAT picture of Azriel... ...Why. emotion_facepalm It is forever immoralized... Muck like everyone probably wishes your own picture was... XD The greatest mystery of the TOS guild is YOUR face... But why are you still keeping it.
Did you not catch my post on Tumblr about how it isn't to Chase anymore? rofl Oh wait, he isn't in the guild anymore. But still.Because it's good dirt that's why! XD Ahaha, if I ever need to die and/or blackmail Azriel, I have that... sweatdrop And I think I vaguely remember that... But Chase is just one person and he's not exactly sharing...
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:40 pm
Korsall Kaiser Because it's good dirt that's why! XD Ahaha, if I ever need to die and/or blackmail Azriel, I have that... sweatdrop A serious question here. Even if it's "just playing", as you may put it, what is it about finding enjoyment at the expense of others?
It is not just this particular thing I'm focused on. The time you had stated your amusement in transforming someone into a nervous, defenseless creature such as a rabbit also comes to mind.
You're not a very considerate person, are you?((This is letting my muse out. ;;>_> Because...y'know. You're targeting his SO. And he generally dislikes the concept of schadenfreude.))
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:53 pm
Eloysio Donovan Korsall Kaiser Because it's good dirt that's why! XD Ahaha, if I ever need to die and/or blackmail Azriel, I have that... sweatdrop A serious question here. Even if it's "just playing", as you may put it, what is it about finding enjoyment at the expense of others?
It is not just this particular thing I'm focused on. The time you had stated your amusement in transforming someone into a nervous, defenseless creature such as a rabbit also comes to mind.
You're not a very considerate person, are you?((This is letting my muse out. ;;>_> Because...y'know. You're targeting his SO. And he generally dislikes the concept of schadenfreude.)) Well, for starters, It's not for amusement, not at all. Think of it is an insurance of types. I have no idea what kind of situation could possibly ever require such a thing, besides quite particularly wanting or needing something that may otherwise be difficult to obtain, and perhaps such situations may never actually occur, but there it stands as an option. *shrug* I'll admit though, it wouldn't be the first time I used similar methods to get what I wanted. Now, I may know what you're thinking, "That's low, that's really low.", and I suppose it is, but consider this... If you desperately needed or wanted something, wouldn't you want to be prepared to obtain it should the case arise? In closing I would like to mention that my original statement implied the possibility of such an endeavor completely and horribly backfiring, though I suppose I did handle my statement's delivery rather poorly... As for the rabbit business, it was Easter! So my methods were sneaky, it was all in good nature, meant to be a surprise. Something to SPICE up the boring old, same every year, Easter formula... Of course I would find enjoyment in trying to bring enjoyment to others... ((Even though it's a response from your character, I do hope there's no misunderstanding as to ME personally being a jerk or something... sweatdrop ))
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:01 pm
Korsall Kaiser Well, for starters, It's not for amusement, not at all. Think of it is an insurance of types. I have no idea what kind of situation could possibly ever require such a thing, besides quite particularly wanting or needing something that may otherwise be difficult to obtain, and perhaps such situations may never actually occur, but there it stands as an option. *shrug* So the motive shifts from amusement to personal gain. You can say the need may never arise, but if by some strange happenstance that it ever actually did, you would do it. The point is, the act still lacks consideration of the other's feelings.Quote: I'll admit though, it wouldn't be the first time I used similar methods to get what I wanted. Now, I may know what you're thinking, "That's low, that's really low.", and I suppose it is, but consider this... If you desperately needed or wanted something, wouldn't you want to be prepared to obtain it should the case arise? In closing I would like to mention that my original statement implied the possibility of such an endeavor completely and horribly backfiring, though I suppose I did handle my statement's delivery rather poorly... Speak for yourself. I would seek ways to obtain such without it resulting in the utter humiliation of anyone. I have the patience. If it were unobtainable without such an outcome, I would reconsider how much I really "need" it and most likely drop the endeavor.Quote: As for the rabbit business, it was Easter! So my methods were sneaky, it was all in good nature, meant to be a surprise. Something to SPICE up the boring old, same every year, Easter formula... Of course I would find enjoyment in trying to bring enjoyment to others... What you would think is enjoyable may not be to someone else. Do you not recount how my mun—excuse me, Azura explained the repercussions of suddenly being turned into a rabbit?
To play it safe, would it not be better to think of a surprise that happens more externally and not feel so forced upon them without consent? Or if you absolutely had to play that angle, wouldn't vague but fair warning suffice? A simple, "Oh, you're going to be in for a transformative experience~♪" ? It would save those who'd rather not go through forced conditions the nasty shock.
But of course, I must also consider, that wouldn't really fit your own definition of "fun", now would it?((Well... He's of the mindset that "Even if you don't mean to be a jerk but do recognize that such acts are 'jerkish' and still continue to do them for amusement and/or personal gain...yeah you're still a jerk." I hope you're not taking this too personally? sweatdrop ))
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:39 am
Eloysio Donovan Korsall Kaiser Well, for starters, It's not for amusement, not at all. Think of it is an insurance of types. I have no idea what kind of situation could possibly ever require such a thing, besides quite particularly wanting or needing something that may otherwise be difficult to obtain, and perhaps such situations may never actually occur, but there it stands as an option. *shrug* So the motive shifts from amusement to personal gain. You can say the need may never arise, but if by some strange happenstance that it ever actually did, you would do it. The point is, the act still lacks consideration of the other's feelings.Quote: I'll admit though, it wouldn't be the first time I used similar methods to get what I wanted. Now, I may know what you're thinking, "That's low, that's really low.", and I suppose it is, but consider this... If you desperately needed or wanted something, wouldn't you want to be prepared to obtain it should the case arise? In closing I would like to mention that my original statement implied the possibility of such an endeavor completely and horribly backfiring, though I suppose I did handle my statement's delivery rather poorly... Speak for yourself. I would seek ways to obtain such without it resulting in the utter humiliation of anyone. I have the patience. If it were unobtainable without such an outcome, I would reconsider how much I really "need" it and most likely drop the endeavor.Quote: As for the rabbit business, it was Easter! So my methods were sneaky, it was all in good nature, meant to be a surprise. Something to SPICE up the boring old, same every year, Easter formula... Of course I would find enjoyment in trying to bring enjoyment to others... What you would think is enjoyable may not be to someone else. Do you not recount how my mun—excuse me, Azura explained the repercussions of suddenly being turned into a rabbit?
To play it safe, would it not be better to think of a surprise that happens more externally and not feel so forced upon them without consent? Or if you absolutely had to play that angle, wouldn't vague but fair warning suffice? A simple, "Oh, you're going to be in for a transformative experience~♪" ? It would save those who'd rather not go through forced conditions the nasty shock.
But of course, I must also consider, that wouldn't really fit your own definition of "fun", now would it?((Well... He's of the mindset that "Even if you don't mean to be a jerk but do recognize that such acts are 'jerkish' and still continue to do them for amusement and/or personal gain...yeah you're still a jerk." I hope you're not taking this too personally? sweatdrop )) *shrugs* I don't know how long you've been around, or what kind of life you've been able to live, but I've come to the conclusion that one's own well-being is a priority that sometimes requires such things. If the end result is that someone happens to look down on you for it, then so be it. Now, you speak as if the end result is to humiliate someone to get what I want. You seem to be mistaken... The goal is to AVOID such things in exchange for something that may or may not even be valuable, important, or a hassle to them. In any and all cases, I would hope that such things can indeed be avoided for them. Now, helping others is a good thing, no? In which case there shouldn't be any problems exchanging wanted goods or services for the complete destruction of any 'damaging' material. And continuing as such, if a person does not want to be 'helpful' then what reason is there for me to be 'considerate'? And I say all this from experience. Not being prepared for possible circumstances can result in consequences far worse than possibly alienating someone you hardly know... As I said, I don't know how long you've been around or what kind of life you've been able to lead, but I could almost envy you for being able to consider the application of patience to any given situation... Moving on to the next 'subject', let me ask you this. If people always played it 'safe', and never took risks in the form of trying out new things because they didn't know the results or possible consequences, how many things in life would still exist in their current form or even exist at all for that matter? Change is largely powered by variety, new experiences, and taking chances. As well, such things are what make life interesting. That aside, I indeed enacted my idea because I myself might consider such a thing fun and interesting. Sure, not everyone is going to share that, but really, how many people haven't wanted to be an adorable little animal, even just a teensy bit? Yet another thought that crossed my mind in determining my actions. To be quite fair though, I did more or less try to hint at intentions just below the surface, but it appears I was a little TOO subtle... sweatdrop Perhaps something to keep in mind... ((Haha, that's exactly what I was worried about myself, YOU taking it too personally. XP Glad that seems to be a non-issue. *wipes brow* I didn't want to come off as a jerk all of a sudden to YOU.))
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:07 am
After you've scrubbed all the floors in Hyrule then we can talk about mercy! Take him away!
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:11 am
Korsall Kaiser *shrugs* I don't know how long you've been around, or what kind of life you've been able to live, but I've come to the conclusion that one's own well-being is a priority that sometimes requires such things. If the end result is that someone happens to look down on you for it, then so be it. Of course I've observed the reasoning behind such a conclusion, but this is where we differ in values. I'm just the kind of person who wishes not to contribute to the vicious cycle. "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you." "Be the change you wish to see in the world." That sort of thing.Quote: Now, you speak as if the end result is to humiliate someone to get what I want. You seem to be mistaken... The goal is to AVOID such things in exchange for something that may or may not even be valuable, important, or a hassle to them. In any and all cases, I would hope that such things can indeed be avoided for them. Now, helping others is a good thing, no? In which case there shouldn't be any problems exchanging wanted goods or services for the complete destruction of any 'damaging' material. And continuing as such, if a person does not want to be 'helpful' then what reason is there for me to be 'considerate'? And I say all this from experience. Not being prepared for possible circumstances can result in consequences far worse than possibly alienating someone you hardly know... As I said, I don't know how long you've been around or what kind of life you've been able to lead, but I could almost envy you for being able to consider the application of patience to any given situation... I see. I'll give you that point then. But. Blackmail in its nature is still the coercion of someone to do something for your personal gain with the use of threats and the manipulation of someone's feelings. It sounds no better than bullying to me.
You can't always assume that what you'll ask of them is worthless, meaningless, or easy to do. What then, if it actually turns out to be the opposite? If, by all technicalities, it's something they literally cannot do? Or something that would still bring humiliation? Or goes against their values? Or will simply give them a terrible feeling doing it? That counts as not wanting to be any "helpful" to your request, though without any malice behind it. Will you still do it regardless? Of course...common sense would dictate that perhaps you have the understanding to simply drop the terms and find someone else to fulfill it...right?
That aside, I wouldn't say it's justifiable, but it is at least somewhat understandable if this "someone you hardly know" did something to slight or inconvenience you. Now the question is, what has Azriel done? I will admit that I wasn't around to see what had happened, but it all sounds to me like you just garnered blackmail material off someone innocent you just happened to catch unawares. It's "just good dirt", eh...?
And an aside question. If Azriel or I simply ask nicely, no threats from either of us nor personal gain for either side besides the destruction of said damaging material, would you do it?Quote: Moving on to the next 'subject', let me ask you this. If people always played it 'safe', and never took risks in the form of trying out new things because they didn't know the results or possible consequences, how many things in life would still exist in their current form or even exist at all for that matter? Change is largely powered by variety, new experiences, and taking chances. As well, such things are what make life interesting. That aside, I indeed enacted my idea because I myself might consider such a thing fun and interesting. Sure, not everyone is going to share that, but really, how many people haven't wanted to be an adorable little animal, even just a teensy bit? Yet another thought that crossed my mind in determining my actions. To be quite fair though, I did more or less try to hint at intentions just below the surface, but it appears I was a little TOO subtle... sweatdrop Perhaps something to keep in mind... That train of thought is more suited for scientific, technological, et cetera advancements in mankind than for justifying the intent behind a prank that has the potential to just plain give someone a terrible time. But that's just my opinion.
You've spent much time around Azura, but so have I. I cannot fathom whatever gave you the idea she would enjoy such a thing, but at least now you know she knows enough that becoming a rabbit is very much far from her desires.
I think a better way to word it is that you were intentionally not specific enough, leaving no room for decisions to be made, to ensure things go your way. A tip: you can be as vague as you want but leave some avenue for choice, that way you'll find out who's actually willing to play along with your idea of fun while keeping the element of surprise intact.
Though I have to give points to Evilweirdo for, as he put it, "rejecting your shapeshifting and substituting it with his own". Now that I found witty. Azura herself had the intent to pull something similar, but felt like it would have been godmodding, which in turn would make her feel like a hypocrite.((Well, Eloysio's the one taking it personally. I mean, the moment you started talking about Azriel's picture, he was just all, "My wife. How dare you. mad " XP))
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:05 pm
*Flops onto the bed* . n . No one wants to join my Tales of Academia RP . . .
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:18 pm
ShadeKyubi After you've scrubbed all the floors in Hyrule then we can talk about mercy! Take him away! Mercy? Did I ask for your mercy? Need I remind that it was YOU that awoke the darkness inside of me after that disastrous pie attack... No, I would NEVER accept mercy from you! I WILL enact my revenge and then it will be YOU begging for MY mercy! twisted
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:57 pm
Not asking, not asking, not ask- WHAT'S THIS? A precision Eloysio strike! ...I wonder if he'll use his precision pointing aids?APH-Fem Canada-APH I get that comment a lot when I'm concerned about my height. Still, I have friends who are shorter than me. It's funny; I used to hang around with one of the shortest people around in middle/high school. It's odd how that happens. Also, I have just formulated brief summaries of my own Academia peeps. I'll send 'em over. Korsall Kaiser Everything's a game if you let it be, mah boi! Are you telling me that this laughing gas is what all true warriors strive for? Is the Joker the truest warrior out there? WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR? Azura Cantarella ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS. YOU'RE AS TALL AS ELOYSIO. BLOODY HELL.
I myself am a whopping 5'2". The perks of being Asian. TwT [/sarcasm] Oho! I should have known that he would be a tall guy. Anyway, it's fine. You'll always have taller people like me to kindly pat you on the head when you're feeling down. Sorry, I was legally obligated to pester you for your smaller height to some degree (remember, kids- it's the law!) and that was the nicest way I could think of. Speaking of which, I sometimes pester my less-tall sister (come on, one more inch! Get to that 6'!) by placing my forearm on her head and saying "lamppost!" You know, because we look like a lamppost that way, with my hand being the light. I suppose anyone would be irked with the brilliance of my glowing hand next to their face! Gwahaha! Eloysio Donovan points to Evilweirdo for, as he put it, "rejecting your shapeshifting and substituting it with his own". Now that I found witty. Azura herself had the intent to pull something similar, but felt like it would have been godmodding, which in turn would make her feel like a hypocrite. *wakes up from sudden nap that I clearly wasn't taking a moment ago* Gyah! Wit? Um, yes! Wit! I am the very model of a modern major witticism! What ho! Yes! Indeed!
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:33 pm
APH-Fem Canada-APH *Flops onto the bed* . n . No one wants to join my Tales of Academia RP . . . Given the old, old system that Guilds still runs on, I've often seen people say it's easy for them to forget about Guilds. D:
By the way, I made the Guild Announcement feature available to all members. When you post one, it sends the message to everyone on the memberlist. How about giving that a shot? You might want to create an OOC thread and link to that in the announcement, though. People who might gloss over the rule about PMing you or commenting on your profile might instead start posting in the RP thread. sweatdrop
The announcement feature is accessed by hovering over like so: Quote: Anyway, it's fine. You'll always have taller people like me to kindly pat you on the head when you're feeling down. Sorry, I was legally obligated to pester you for your smaller height to some degree (remember, kids- it's the law!) and that was the nicest way I could think of. Speaking of which, I sometimes pester my less-tall sister (come on, one more inch! Get to that 6'!) by placing my forearm on her head and saying "lamppost!" You know, because we look like a lamppost that way, with my hand being the light. I suppose anyone would be irked with the brilliance of my glowing hand next to their face! Gwahaha! I also get to say "Look at all these big-a** trees." (Actually, I have yet to watch Attack on Titan. It's on my to-do list...like a lot of other things. emotion_sweatdrop )
Yes, I refer to people much taller than me as "trees". razz
Wait a minute, your sister is almost 6ft. tall? It's just...tall ladies are a real rare sight for me.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:57 pm
Eloysio Donovan Korsall Kaiser *shrugs* I don't know how long you've been around, or what kind of life you've been able to live, but I've come to the conclusion that one's own well-being is a priority that sometimes requires such things. If the end result is that someone happens to look down on you for it, then so be it. Of course I've observed the reasoning behind such a conclusion, but this is where we differ in values. I'm just the kind of person who wishes not to contribute to the vicious cycle. "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you." "Be the change you wish to see in the world." That sort of thing.Quote: Now, you speak as if the end result is to humiliate someone to get what I want. You seem to be mistaken... The goal is to AVOID such things in exchange for something that may or may not even be valuable, important, or a hassle to them. In any and all cases, I would hope that such things can indeed be avoided for them. Now, helping others is a good thing, no? In which case there shouldn't be any problems exchanging wanted goods or services for the complete destruction of any 'damaging' material. And continuing as such, if a person does not want to be 'helpful' then what reason is there for me to be 'considerate'? And I say all this from experience. Not being prepared for possible circumstances can result in consequences far worse than possibly alienating someone you hardly know... As I said, I don't know how long you've been around or what kind of life you've been able to lead, but I could almost envy you for being able to consider the application of patience to any given situation... I see. I'll give you that point then. But. Blackmail in its nature is still the coercion of someone to do something for your personal gain with the use of threats and the manipulation of someone's feelings. It sounds no better than bullying to me.
You can't always assume that what you'll ask of them is worthless, meaningless, or easy to do. What then, if it actually turns out to be the opposite? If, by all technicalities, it's something they literally cannot do? Or something that would still bring humiliation? Or goes against their values? Or will simply give them a terrible feeling doing it? That counts as not wanting to be any "helpful" to your request, though without any malice behind it. Will you still do it regardless? Of course...common sense would dictate that perhaps you have the understanding to simply drop the terms and find someone else to fulfill it...right?
That aside, I wouldn't say it's justifiable, but it is at least somewhat understandable if this "someone you hardly know" did something to slight or inconvenience you. Now the question is, what has Azriel done? I will admit that I wasn't around to see what had happened, but it all sounds to me like you just garnered blackmail material off someone innocent you just happened to catch unawares. It's "just good dirt", eh...?
And an aside question. If Azriel or I simply ask nicely, no threats from either of us nor personal gain for either side besides the destruction of said damaging material, would you do it?Quote: Moving on to the next 'subject', let me ask you this. If people always played it 'safe', and never took risks in the form of trying out new things because they didn't know the results or possible consequences, how many things in life would still exist in their current form or even exist at all for that matter? Change is largely powered by variety, new experiences, and taking chances. As well, such things are what make life interesting. That aside, I indeed enacted my idea because I myself might consider such a thing fun and interesting. Sure, not everyone is going to share that, but really, how many people haven't wanted to be an adorable little animal, even just a teensy bit? Yet another thought that crossed my mind in determining my actions. To be quite fair though, I did more or less try to hint at intentions just below the surface, but it appears I was a little TOO subtle... sweatdrop Perhaps something to keep in mind... That train of thought is more suited for scientific, technological, et cetera advancements in mankind than for justifying the intent behind a prank that has the potential to just plain give someone a terrible time. But that's just my opinion.
You've spent much time around Azura, but so have I. I cannot fathom whatever gave you the idea she would enjoy such a thing, but at least now you know she knows enough that becoming a rabbit is very much far from her desires.
I think a better way to word it is that you were intentionally not specific enough, leaving no room for decisions to be made, to ensure things go your way. A tip: you can be as vague as you want but leave some avenue for choice, that way you'll find out who's actually willing to play along with your idea of fun while keeping the element of surprise intact.
Though I have to give points to Evilweirdo for, as he put it, "rejecting your shapeshifting and substituting it with his own". Now that I found witty. Azura herself had the intent to pull something similar, but felt like it would have been godmodding, which in turn would make her feel like a hypocrite.((Well, Eloysio's the one taking it personally. I mean, the moment you started talking about Azriel's picture, he was just all, "My wife. How dare you. mad " XP)) "To each their own", I believe is the saying. But, as I implied, one's experiences shape one's outlook and disposition. Take a moment to think what I may have gone through to become how I am and how such events might differ from your own experiences. I am merely acting as said experiences have taught me. No, I certainly don't assume that, but statistically the chances are low. Both in the sense of the chances of occurrence and the sense of chances of willingness. By all means though, if there's a better way, I would pursue that first and foremost. But if my situation demands it and push comes to shove, then I may just have to shove and use such methods. Oh, now this is another story completely... One does not simply wrong me and get 'blackmailed' or the like... *shakes head* That is simply a means to an end. If one is to go out of their way to deal me an injustice, through no justifiable reasoning, then just as a child is punished by their parents for wrongdoings, one who wrongs me will be pushed as is fair to the severity of their action. Note that I say to go out of their way... Everyone has made mistakes that have brought harm or inconvenience to another, but such things are not a testament to bad character and certainly do not warrant any retaliation. Though I make no allusions to having wholly good character myself. So no, nothing has been done to me, and if in good fortune, nothing has to be come to them either. As for your conclusion, that is indeed correct. A potentially beneficial circumstance presented itself, and I took the opportunity to secure something that in the future may be able to secure something altogether more important. In the end, is it not likened to that of bartering and trade? The kind of value something has need not fall under preconceived notions of what can or can not be held for trade, and neither do they need be labeled as to why. Naturally, things of great value incite different 'responses' based on their 'sentimental' value. From a particularly prized object, to one that was particularly difficult to obtain, even to one that you would rather have in your hands than someone else's. Unfortunately, asking doesn't accomplish anything. If you were to go to the market looking for a portion of Beef. Would the butcher simply give it to you for asking nicely? Not from my experience, no. Another frequently uttered phrase I think fits here, "Nothing in life is free". There is always some required payment or stipulation. On the other hand, if such destruction is wished sooner rather than later, an attempt could always be made to offer something that may currently hold proper value rather than risk the slim chance that something required later may be more difficult to part with. Again to the Easter subject... That's actually my point. Any number of those advancements had just as much potential to 'give someone a terrible time'. In fact, isn't modern medicine absolutely riddled with that possibility? How is my attempt at change any different from any other attempt at change aside from what I was trying to change? I was trying to change how Easter can be enjoyed. That may be true, but I had nothing to suggest that she wouldn't either. And yes, now I know. Is that not how life works? Trial and error? If something doesn't work out, try something different. Perhaps, but is that not, subconscious or not, a desire that almost if not everyone shares? What you say may be true, perhaps at the time that was my intention and I've since forgotten. But am I really the only person act in such a way? At any rate, I will give way to you on this particular issue as you have a point in offering a more substantial chance to catch on. Yes, that was rather disappointing and admittedly ever so slightly irritating, but I understand that I don't have absolute control over an individual, nor would I expect or want to. I suppose I should have seen that coming to be honest. And yes, I agree, that was rather witty of him. At any rate, I think we've both given our respective points on the Easter issue and I think I can agree that my efforts, much to my chagrin and despite my intentions, were a complete flop and that considerably more thought ought to go into any future 'ideas' should I have any...
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