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 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:12 pm
Well you can't use the lead suppressor because of the same reason for the action.. the grenade launcher.
the magazine is in the way. as for recoil... Lemme think on the design.
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:54 pm
No springs? What do you mean?
Can't put one inside the stock, behind the magazines and such? Or that just wouldn't be effective?
And don't some guns (G11, wasn't it?) have the chamber/action move backwards into springs as it fires?
And I thought Boba Fett did wear shoulder pads?
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:04 pm
he did, tho they didn't quite come low enough to place the butt on..
would the design be easier to manipulate if the grenade launcher were on top? the ammo could be loaded into the side, mayhaps, so that the rounds come down vertically... (speaking of the G11)
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:15 pm
So...it's like...
GrenadeLaucherW/TopMagazine Bullets
-----------------Gun-----------------------
Huh, I don't know, though it might look cool, which is sometimes more important for movies and such than if it actually would work well.
Perhaps...
GrenadelauncherW/TopMagazine BoxofBulletsInBelt
--------------------------Gun-----------------------------
'Cause, the grenade launcher on top would take up space normally used for ammo capacity, so...raise the magazine vertically to make the magazine for bullets into a box, and then inside, to keep the bullets flowing and orderly, put them on a belt.
That might allow you a bit of flexibility as to where the ammo feed goes, too. You could just feed it down from the magazine directly into the gun, or the belt could come out of the magazine, and enter the gun from the side.
You could also continue the contouring of the stock with the magazine, I would think.
Hey, would a sidemounted grenade launcher work?
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:31 pm
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:47 pm
Heretic, I already suggested the chamber/action move backwards instead of the bolt, but that requires that the Grenade launcher to not be internal, as the action would have a hell of a time working around the second action.
and springs in the stock just doesn't do anything. trust me.
@ nospai. The grenadelauncher on top might work... but with that there, you'd need a trigger, because it is no longer on the same reciever as the other barrel. Not to mention, it would be a pain to fire the GL in combat. You'd have to stop, and rearrange your hand to be on top, removing the hand from bottom to top, which would waste precious seconds... Not to mention, your drawing is a bit off scale... the grenade tube towars the magazine is a bit small. It would be taller.
I sure hope you have a scope on the side, because you're not using sights anymore.
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:56 pm
Nelowulf Heretic, I already suggested the chamber/action move backwards instead of the bolt, but that requires that the Grenade launcher to not be internal, as the action would have a hell of a time working around the second action. and springs in the stock just doesn't do anything. trust me. Okay, fine; I'll take your word for it about the springs. But what about the grenade launcher? Isn't it seperate from the rest of the gun, like having a regular grenade launcher welded onto gun?
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:31 pm
i know the scale's off, that's a quick re-organization. i think theere could still be one trigger though; the ammo box doesn't go all the way to the other side.
a camera and high-tech scope could be put in the forward grip.. and the side scope could be mounted on the side opposite th ammo..
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:41 pm
Nospai Deathous i know the scale's off, that's a quick re-organization. i think theere could still be one trigger though; the ammo box doesn't go all the way to the other side. a camera and high-tech scope could be put in the forward grip.. and the side scope could be mounted on the side opposite th ammo.. Having one trigger with that design though would have one of two problems: Either there will be a ton of metal to house the mechanism properly, or you risk easy damage due to integrety. It might work, but expect it to break easily with normal usage.. Though I wouldn't want a camera.... that thing weighs enough as is. Heck, the ammo alone (depending on caliber) is at least 5 pounds..
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:05 pm
it's 5.56mm NATO.. i'll see if i can draw up something new..
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:25 am
here.. side /and/ front.  i'll shade it too.. and add the padding, eventually
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:27 am
One more question. How will this thing reload? i see the grenades, but the bullets... they're a bit trapped... not to mention, it is cumbersome. But if you had the magazine work like a stripper clip, and eject when finished out, It might work..
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:50 am
could you elaborate on the stripper clip idea? i don't quite understand what you mean. and here's a diagram of how you load the mag.  you insert it diagonally (there's a cup shaped piece, if you'll notice, just forward of the mag, that you use to guide it), then push it in on the outer end. once in, springs will push it back and secure it. to further secure it, you would rotate down a strip of metal (boxes 5 and 6) and pull up a lever that secures that. to unload, you pull down the lever and the mag pops out and ejects itself.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:57 am
You basically illustrated it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:59 am
hum.. lotsa springs involved.. the inner wall of the mag chamber would have to be pretty seamless for it to be easy to clean and so dirt doesn't become a debilitating problem too quickly..
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