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 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:26 pm
Qyp Hayate, you don't know s**t. I proved I was right with referencing, FROM THE MANGA, that it was Shisui's RIGHT ARM and RIGHT EYE. Now, the only reason Madara wanted that eye was so he could add it to his collection... considering he had the whole clan basically.
Also Shisui was the same age as Itachi, and all the ninja under 18 years old and the other villagers, were all kept far out of the way of the Kyuubi Attack. Meaning Shisui would of been with them all. Kakashi was 14 (Which would make that 1 year after Obito died. Kakashi becoming Jounin at 13) during the attack, so that would make Itachi and Shisui about 7 years old. This is all based on the the official data books done by Kishimoto, and that info is on Narutopedia.
There is also the fact that Minato, even though he doubted himself, first thought Tobi was Madara. Minato, Itachi and Danzo (all who have high IQs like Shikamaru) all thought Madara was/is still alive, but only Minato had his doubts. But he knew that only Madara could of been such a skilled shinobi to summon and control the Kyuubi.
Also, stone tablet http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-467-page-11.html
He got it from someone else and put it on like that.
How did Danzo get that eye?
He took it from an Uchiha and put it on his eye.
Are eyes generally the same so no difference between left and right eye?
Yes
How did Tobi get the rinnegan?
He implimented it on his missing eye
How did Kakashi get it?
He got it from Obito, but he wasn't an Uchiha, so the effects are different than that of Tobi, who is an Uchiha.
You obviously don't get common sense. It's a common fact in Naruto that Tobi was there during the massacre. Shisui gave his eye to Danzo. He then had another Uchiha eye from a fodder Uchiha or maybe Sasuke's dad on his own. Shisui's eye is more precious, remember how Tobi used his left eye that is usually covered by the mask while his right eye isn't, that's probally because the left eye is weaker, why? Because the right eye is his and the left eye is someone elses. Danzo had one eye, so he took the left eye of Shisui and put it in his right eyesocket. Where did he get the eye? Shisui made a deal with Danzo to kill off the Uchiha. Heck maybe they were just being careful because they were accused by the village. The only reason we think the Uchiha at the time of the massacre were trying to attack the village is because Tobi said so. It's likely he payed to get the uchiha killed off and he exchanged his own precious eye to do it. Either that of Shisui lost his arm during the massacre but he didn't die. Remember, the body was clearly found in advance of the massacre of the uchiha, the uchiha said clearly that his body was found, or was it? It was a genjutsu on them, I mean the body couldn't be found by Kabuto who easily found the body of Asuma, which means that Kabuto has been snooping around in the villages without be known. Remember, he has orochimaru's power, Orochimaru was from the leaf village and like Itachi he snuck into the village using the information he knew, he was able to infiltrate the village rather simply. It was both Kabuto and Orochimaru's home village to begin with as you know. So there is no reason that he couldn't find the body of a fodder character such as Shisui Uchiha, and that Shisui was mentioned next to Danzo on bodies he couldn't find, an explaination being about Danzo and no explaination about Shisui at all. Kabuto already has kage's under his command, he wouldn't say "don't push your luck" when it comes to danzo even if danzo is kage leveled. It's very obvious yet very subtle that Shisui is infact Tobi. I mean information on Uchiha Madara wouldn't be hard to come upon by the strongest Uchiha of the current era. Such as Itachi or Shisui. Now remember that Tobi has dimensional jutsu. Meaning he could essentially time travel. If he could do that it would make no sense that he was Madara, no matter how you look at it, he could have easily went back and double teamed the 1st hokage and killed him. 2 Madara's and the Kyuubi versus the 1st hokage. Also you guys don't take into account that if someone said they were Madara, they would be taken VERY seriously, the strongest ******** who ever stood against the leaf.
Guy wearing a mask: "I'm Madara. The only proof I have is the sharingan that could have essentially been implimented like my rinnegan."
I like how in anime you guys believe such crap and you guys are so surprised when it is revealed what is the truth. Dimensional jutsu in theory can teleport you to different time periods. So it's even possible that the current Tobi hasn't even gone back in time to fight the 4th quite yet even.
The tablet has NOTHING to do with our conversation AT ALL. Flocka
So qyp, you don't know ANYTHING about this topic so don't even bother responded since all the stuff you say is crap. Itachi was working under Tobi at that time and Tobi would have revealed himself as Uchiha Madara, and even if Itachi knew otherwise would have called him Madara.
Danzo was oboviously hiding the fact that he made deals with people to do the killing and it wasn't truthful by saying it was Madara. Obviously Tobi had something to do with the massacre, like it's creation so obviously he created the damn thing in the first place and bribed the elders, the 3rd hokage being to nice of a guy to be swayed against the innocent Uchiha. The kyuubi only being able to be controlled by Madara? Sasuke was strong enough to keep it at bay, Naruto IS CONTROLLING THE THING. Shisui's DAMN SHARINGAN is the ability to control people's thoughts and such. Shisui could EASILY control anyone, influencing them. Danzo was doing it in the meeting room and yet it wasn't even his eye to begin with so it was weaker than the normal shisui ability. Shisui had the sharingan to control people's thoughts, he could have easily done all of this with his dimensional jutsu. Shisui was also very strong and to fast for someone like Itachi, nicknamed Shisui of the body flicker.Don't bring your weak flawed knowledge into an arguement.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:51 pm
Sir, from what ive read before your retarded Wacka Flocka Fake refrences, it seems YOUR knowledge is HORRIBLY flawed. You really are repeating things that Qyp already pointed out but your flawing the information and just repeating it so it sounds like you know it. So, before calling people idiots or telling people to stfu....you need to know your s**t too.
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The Ghost of Xmas Awesome
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:01 pm
If you are going to cut through pleasantries, then I too shall be completely frank.
I believe nothing for certain at this point. Counting your chickens before they hatch is a fools game, I merely speculate for fun's sake.
Do you think that you've just pointed out why he wanted Shisui's eye? Not because it was his own, but because it had special properties of control? (Very interesting plot point by the way if that's the case. Good call.)
You're thinking about this from a practical standpoint, when that's not logical. This is a fictional work from a single mind, not a series of events perpetuated by numerous ones, merely a simulation of it, think like an author. Dues ex machina can cleanly control all events to achieve a goal, think not of the how when thinking about a story but the "why". All events in a story are under the complete control of the author, your arguments and logical processes are meaningless before that.
Why would Shisui be Tobi, and why would that fit Kishimoto's goals for the plot? That is the question you could attempt to answer, even then there is no reason to be so passionate about your conclusion.
When you speculate in a fictional story, try more to reference foreshadowing, and your interpretations of it. The fact of the matter is that none of us know how it will turn out, and neither do you, however educated your guess.
Finally you're allowing your emotions to cloud your logical thinking. Logic within a confined system is meaningless, and we do not yet hold a complete picture of events, acting arrogant is pointless, as is getting upset about people questioning your speculation. You're clearly evolving your theory as you go along, (as you should) but are clearly doing so merely because you wish to be seen as right.
The fact of the matter is that narrowing it down at this point merely shows a lack of imagination, surely someone who watches as much anime as I suspect you have can understand that any number of faces and backstories could be contrived to fit under that mask, you merely have claimed one as your own, and needlessly defending it like you've some sort of small man's complex.
There's no need to be so defensive, and if indeed you are suffering from such insecurities, then do not be so passionate about it, and you won't look like such a fool.
If you've something remark on what I've said, I assure you anger will only validate my point. Calmly explain your points, and I guarantee you they shall have more weight with me. There's no need to postulate just to sate your ego. It means very little me if I've hurt your pride.
There, honesty. See why I prefer pleasantries?
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:18 pm
ellreka: She has disproven 0 of my points. Not a single one of her responses made any sense. She started talking about a tablet that had no correlation between Madara, Tobi, or Shisui. About the tablet that could be read by those with sharinga, those with rinnegan, and those with mangekyo sharingan. It made no sense at all to the arguement at hand. Are you high or something to think she is right?
Xmas: You're really annoying. I know what you said but you are obviously trying to hard to sound intellegent to the point that it's really obnoxious. Also this wouldn't be the first time one of my seemingly far fetched ideas came to pass. I do the same thing with most anime and they are usually right. Everything I said had deep support while everything he/she said was completely out of the mouth of the main villain of the entire series. For some reason I don't really suspect he's the most truthful guy around.
PS: Kubo is on crack, he writes everything as he goes along. Bleach is so horrible of a story, I mean it seemed like it straight came out of a fanficition as many have suspected. Like the author of Bleach Tite Kubo, he searchs the internet all night and reads all the fanfictions probally and then puts them into the story.
Kishimoto on the other hand is only good about ONE thing. The rest of it sucks, he's good at connecting mytholigy into the story and teaching us japanese mytholigy without anyone knowing. His storytelling sucks a** and I read it only because I've already come so far.
I like to RP Naruto things though because it's completely different. I mean in reality Fairy Tail pwns Naruto in quality.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:44 pm
Hayate-senpai ellreka: She has disproven 0 of my points. Not a single one of her responses made any sense. She started talking about a tablet that had no correlation between Madara, Tobi, or Shisui. About the tablet that could be read by those with sharinga, those with rinnegan, and those with mangekyo sharingan. It made no sense at all to the arguement at hand. Are you high or something to think she is right? well...most of your points are from HIS points so yea....and the tablet does have a correlation between all three because its a part of the uchiha clan story line. You yourself mention "Tobi was the mastermind behind the uchiha massacre" and stuff like that but Tobi is a fabricated personality made up by Madara.So, just adressing this entity as "Tobi" alone totaly destroys your credibility because you dont understand the stories plot or what characters are present during these events. Tobi may be the physical character seen but Madara is the character thats present doing these actual actions. Do you get it? And this table Qyp refrenced, i honestly havent seen it...but it probobly DOES have relevence and your just ignoring it because it defeats your flawed understanding of the story events. And no sir, im not high.Xmas: You're really annoying. I know what you said but you are obviously trying to hard to sound intellegent to the point that it's really obnoxious. Also this wouldn't be the first time one of my seemingly far fetched ideas came to pass. I do the same thing with most anime and they are usually right. Everything I said had deep support while everything he/she said was completely out of the mouth of the main villain of the entire series. For some reason I don't really suspect he's the most truthful guy around. Xmas is intelligent...you however are not. Awesome, you are obviously outthinking the story instead of reading it and understanding whats going on and what messages are bieng conveyed through the story medium.Also, if the main villain speaks nothing but lies..how do you know what is truth and what is the lie? you cant,so...wheres your expert knowledge coming from..a lier..yea,this is TOTALLY credible. PS: Kubo is on crack, he writes everything as he goes along. Bleach is so horrible of a story, I mean it seemed like it straight came out of a fanficition as many have suspected. Like the author of Bleach Tite Kubo, he searchs the internet all night and reads all the fanfictions probally and then puts them into the story. where the ******** does Bleach have to do with the conversation at hand? And at least Kubo responds to his fans and isnt like most Anime creators. This mightve been the downfall of the series BUT its still a great quality.Kishimoto on the other hand is only good about ONE thing. The rest of it sucks, he's good at connecting mytholigy into the story and teaching us japanese mytholigy without anyone knowing. His storytelling sucks a** and I read it only because I've already come so far. So, you read it because you already came into the story? You know that means your INTERESTED in the story right? Yes, theres too many filler arcs in the Naruto series....but some of these fill in background information or act as its supposed to,filler imbetween story lines. Before you go criticly badmouthing a true artist and think that their way of telling a story is inferior, why dont YOU try making a #1 rating Anime story line that DOESNT suck. Im pretty sure you cant do that or will talk about it and never get past the first letter in the story board. If you DO suddenly do it you will make the most cliche'd story EVER just like you tried to make the Otobe uprising story. I like to RP Naruto things though because it's completely different. I mean in reality Fairy Tail pwns Naruto in quality.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:52 pm
neutral Over thinking? Do you think so? confused I suppose it wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of that...
Still what I was doing El was bringing to a fundamental level to get my point across, obviously I don't think that deeply whenever I'm reading a story. I'd go crazy...
neutral Although that would explain alot... xd
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:56 pm
The Ghost of Xmas Awesome neutral Over thinking? Do you think so? confused I suppose it wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of that... Still what I was doing El was bringing to a fundamental level to get my point across, obviously I don't think that deeply whenever I'm reading a story. I'd go crazy... neutral Although that would explain alot... xd Oh, i wasnt accusing you of overthinking.....i was responding to that idiotic statement about you.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:26 pm
ellreka Hayate-senpai ellreka: She has disproven 0 of my points. Not a single one of her responses made any sense. She started talking about a tablet that had no correlation between Madara, Tobi, or Shisui. About the tablet that could be read by those with sharinga, those with rinnegan, and those with mangekyo sharingan. It made no sense at all to the arguement at hand. Are you high or something to think she is right? well...most of your points are from HIS points so yea....and the tablet does have a correlation between all three because its a part of the uchiha clan story line. You yourself mention "Tobi was the mastermind behind the uchiha massacre" and stuff like that but Tobi is a fabricated personality made up by Madara.So, just adressing this entity as "Tobi" alone totaly destroys your credibility because you dont understand the stories plot or what characters are present during these events. Tobi may be the physical character seen but Madara is the character thats present doing these actual actions. Do you get it? And this table Qyp refrenced, i honestly havent seen it...but it probobly DOES have relevence and your just ignoring it because it defeats your flawed understanding of the story events. And no sir, im not high.Learn what the hell you're talking about. Everyone knows the Tobi/Madara story. I'm calling him Tobi because as I said, there is no proof to say he's Madara, and that I think Tobi is Shisui saying he's Madara. You appear to be WAY behind in the series, the tablet has no correlation. It's a secret that is only readable by sharingan, rinnegan, and mangekyo, each one allows to read a part. WEll shisui is an Uchiha and he used Pain to read the rinnegan part, but now he has both sharingan and rinnegan.Xmas: You're really annoying. I know what you said but you are obviously trying to hard to sound intellegent to the point that it's really obnoxious. Also this wouldn't be the first time one of my seemingly far fetched ideas came to pass. I do the same thing with most anime and they are usually right. Everything I said had deep support while everything he/she said was completely out of the mouth of the main villain of the entire series. For some reason I don't really suspect he's the most truthful guy around. Xmas is intelligent...you however are not. Awesome, you are obviously outthinking the story instead of reading it and understanding whats going on and what messages are bieng conveyed through the story medium.Also, if the main villain speaks nothing but lies..how do you know what is truth and what is the lie? you cant,so...wheres your expert knowledge coming from..a lier..yea,this is TOTALLY credible. He's not, he's trying to hard. He sounds like a low-middle class trying to fit in with a rich crowd and utterly failing. You sound like you learned everything you know by wikipedia, and haven't read it, you don't even know about the tablet. You know what is the truth and what is the lies by common sense and what is discovered otherwise. So you're saying you should determine what is what purely by what the main villain of the series tells you?
You're insulting my intellegence noob? You can't even spell liar correctly, pathetic. It's like calling someone an idiot and mispelling idiot.PS: Kubo is on crack, he writes everything as he goes along. Bleach is so horrible of a story, I mean it seemed like it straight came out of a fanficition as many have suspected. Like the author of Bleach Tite Kubo, he searchs the internet all night and reads all the fanfictions probally and then puts them into the story. where the ******** does Bleach have to do with the conversation at hand? And at least Kubo responds to his fans and isnt like most Anime creators. This mightve been the downfall of the series BUT its still a great quality.If you don't realize I'm saying it to tell you guys that unlike Bleach, Naruto is predictable, then you are extremily slow on the uptake.Kishimoto on the other hand is only good about ONE thing. The rest of it sucks, he's good at connecting mytholigy into the story and teaching us japanese mytholigy without anyone knowing. His storytelling sucks a** and I read it only because I've already come so far. So, you read it because you already came into the story? You know that means your INTERESTED in the story right? Yes, theres too many filler arcs in the Naruto series....but some of these fill in background information or act as its supposed to,filler imbetween story lines. Before you go criticly badmouthing a true artist and think that their way of telling a story is inferior, why dont YOU try making a #1 rating Anime story line that DOESNT suck. Im pretty sure you cant do that or will talk about it and never get past the first letter in the story board. If you DO suddenly do it you will make the most cliche'd story EVER just like you tried to make the Otobe uprising story. Naruto isn't in the top 5 anime you do know. One Piece is actually the top rated and Oda is a genius storywriter in comparison. This isn't a rating #1 anime. There are so many better anime. GinTama, One Piece, Darker than Black, and Soul Eater all make Naruto look like trash. Even if you like Naruto it's very obvious that it's extremily overrated, yet it's STILL not the top anime. One Piece even has had more circulation than Dragonballz which is in second place.I like to RP Naruto things though because it's completely different. I mean in reality Fairy Tail pwns Naruto in quality.
You didn't read what I just said, did you?
BieberXmas: I know your not an idiot or something but you express a very cocky demeaner and you look like you're trying way to hard. You don't make major mistakes like ellreka but you look like you are writing a report for school where it is required to impliment words in for the assignment. You're forcing certain words it seems. Also you have to admit that all the arguements I did weren't disproved at all by Qyp's comments. The tablet had no correlation between our arguement aswell. Anyway, ellreka: You can't even spell liar and your saying that was idiotic? You don't even know what you're talking about, she disproved nothing. Are you like 13?
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:55 pm
Hayate-senpai ellreka Hayate-senpai ellreka: She has disproven 0 of my points. Not a single one of her responses made any sense. She started talking about a tablet that had no correlation between Madara, Tobi, or Shisui. About the tablet that could be read by those with sharinga, those with rinnegan, and those with mangekyo sharingan. It made no sense at all to the arguement at hand. Are you high or something to think she is right? well...most of your points are from HIS points so yea....and the tablet does have a correlation between all three because its a part of the uchiha clan story line. You yourself mention "Tobi was the mastermind behind the uchiha massacre" and stuff like that but Tobi is a fabricated personality made up by Madara.So, just adressing this entity as "Tobi" alone totaly destroys your credibility because you dont understand the stories plot or what characters are present during these events. Tobi may be the physical character seen but Madara is the character thats present doing these actual actions. Do you get it? And this table Qyp refrenced, i honestly havent seen it...but it probobly DOES have relevence and your just ignoring it because it defeats your flawed understanding of the story events. And no sir, im not high.Learn what the hell you're talking about. Everyone knows the Tobi/Madara story. I'm calling him Tobi because as I said, there is no proof to say he's Madara, and that I think Tobi is Shisui saying he's Madara. You appear to be WAY behind in the series, the tablet has no correlation. It's a secret that is only readable by sharingan, rinnegan, and mangekyo, each one allows to read a part. WEll shisui is an Uchiha and he used Pain to read the rinnegan part, but now he has both sharingan and rinnegan.Stop using strawmen and actually make good points,and...if the tablet is so unimportant...why the ******** is everyone trying to read it? Xmas: You're really annoying. I know what you said but you are obviously trying to hard to sound intellegent to the point that it's really obnoxious. Also this wouldn't be the first time one of my seemingly far fetched ideas came to pass. I do the same thing with most anime and they are usually right. Everything I said had deep support while everything he/she said was completely out of the mouth of the main villain of the entire series. For some reason I don't really suspect he's the most truthful guy around. Xmas is intelligent...you however are not. Awesome, you are obviously outthinking the story instead of reading it and understanding whats going on and what messages are bieng conveyed through the story medium.Also, if the main villain speaks nothing but lies..how do you know what is truth and what is the lie? you cant,so...wheres your expert knowledge coming from..a lier..yea,this is TOTALLY credible. He's not, he's trying to hard. He sounds like a low-middle class trying to fit in with a rich crowd and utterly failing. You sound like you learned everything you know by wikipedia, and haven't read it, you don't even know about the tablet. You know what is the truth and what is the lies by common sense and what is discovered otherwise. So you're saying you should determine what is what purely by what the main villain of the series tells you?
You're insulting my intellegence noob? You can't even spell liar correctly, pathetic. It's like calling someone an idiot and mispelling idiot.Your not the first to notice my spelling errors, but congrats for trying to claim advantage over me because of them. You got the general idea without that one word right? But you obviously condradicted yourself because it is YOU that stated that YOU got the characters motives from what they are saying. Also, how can you determine ones class by the way one presents themselves online? I could be a very rich person but choose to go slumming with the common folk...you just dont know so you can only assume and assuming isnt a good thing because you make wrong accusations. Your calling someone an idiot for insulting your own intelligence based on a gramatical error with illogical lashing out...doesnt sound very intelligent to me. And trust me, im no noob, but your making yourself sound like one.PS: Kubo is on crack, he writes everything as he goes along. Bleach is so horrible of a story, I mean it seemed like it straight came out of a fanficition as many have suspected. Like the author of Bleach Tite Kubo, he searchs the internet all night and reads all the fanfictions probally and then puts them into the story. where the ******** does Bleach have to do with the conversation at hand? And at least Kubo responds to his fans and isnt like most Anime creators. This mightve been the downfall of the series BUT its still a great quality.If you don't realize I'm saying it to tell you guys that unlike Bleach, Naruto is predictable, then you are extremily slow on the uptake.You clearly didnt state that and you just stated that both are bad in different ways. Kishimoto on the other hand is only good about ONE thing. The rest of it sucks, he's good at connecting mytholigy into the story and teaching us japanese mytholigy without anyone knowing. His storytelling sucks a** and I read it only because I've already come so far. So, you read it because you already came into the story? You know that means your INTERESTED in the story right? Yes, theres too many filler arcs in the Naruto series....but some of these fill in background information or act as its supposed to,filler imbetween story lines. Before you go criticly badmouthing a true artist and think that their way of telling a story is inferior, why dont YOU try making a #1 rating Anime story line that DOESNT suck. Im pretty sure you cant do that or will talk about it and never get past the first letter in the story board. If you DO suddenly do it you will make the most cliche'd story EVER just like you tried to make the Otobe uprising story. Naruto isn't in the top 5 anime you do know. One Piece is actually the top rated and Oda is a genius storywriter in comparison. This isn't a rating #1 anime. There are so many better anime. GinTama, One Piece, Darker than Black, and Soul Eater all make Naruto look like trash. Even if you like Naruto it's very obvious that it's extremily overrated, yet it's STILL not the top anime. One Piece even has had more circulation than Dragonballz which is in second place.I wasnt stating it was #1...i was saying that you need to make a #1 anime before you can start criticly critiqueing people you have no understanding about. Also, you cannot compare nuance Anime to old style writing Anime. Of course your going to find faults because the nuance Anime have fixed those vital errors. I like to RP Naruto things though because it's completely different. I mean in reality Fairy Tail pwns Naruto in quality.
You didn't read what I just said, did you?
Oh, i totally did, which is why i responded that way
BieberXmas: I know your not an idiot or something but you express a very cocky demeaner and you look like you're trying way to hard. You don't make major mistakes like ellreka but you look like you are writing a report for school where it is required to impliment words in for the assignment. You're forcing certain words it seems. Also you have to admit that all the arguements I did weren't disproved at all by Qyp's comments. The tablet had no correlation between our arguement aswell. Anyway, People who live in glass houses should throw no stonesellreka: You can't even spell liar and your saying that was idiotic? You don't even know what you're talking about, she disproved nothing. Are you like 13?
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:00 pm
I am giving proof Hayate. There is nothing weak about PROOF. You are just talking out your a**.
Also, it was Orochimaru who helped Danzo transplant in Shisui's eye and arm.
Anyways, banned Hayate. Getting sick of his existence.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:36 pm
confused Did you? I was actually getting him to calm down a bit via pm, but people like that are driven entirely by their ego. If they can't learn to compromise, or at least be civil, then they have to deal with the consequences. neutral I wonder how many times he's been banned from guilds with attitude like that. Wasn't he the cause for problems before now?
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:50 pm
wahmbulance well, that's one less active person in the guild... We really should find some people to rp with o__o
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:50 pm
Well then ... I think Quack really did die.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:59 pm
O___o When did Zabuza return from the dead?
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:27 pm
Kabuto used Edo Tensei and summoned 27 people...
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