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 Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:49 am
How? Because God said so.
"And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself." Mt. 22:39
Christ commands it. I do it. It's as simple as that.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:26 pm
DemigoddessHalfdemon i like burnination PirateEire Sigh. If you don't know me, you can't love me. Love should be a cherished emotion, not something that is whored out to complete strangers. Gads, I hate altruism. it's possible to love someone even if you don't know them. I don't think so. I believe that love is a sincere and deep affection for those to whom you feel close, or an intimate relationship with those people. And maybe with chocolate. You can certainly feel charity for someone, and wish the best for them, even if you don't know them, but how can you say you love someone if you don't know what their values, dreams, etc are? well, when you see kids dying in Africa, don't you feel compassion for them? i'm pretty sure compassion is a form of love, if not love itself.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:54 pm
JesusFreak60148 How? Because God said so.
"And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself." Mt. 22:39
Christ commands it. I do it. It's as simple as that. but, you know your neighbor. you don't know Pirate.
And, seeing as the original greek keeps being pulled up anyway, what is the defenition of the 'love' and 'neighbor' used in those specific passages?
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:50 pm
Militant Christian JesusFreak60148 How? Because God said so.
"And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself." Mt. 22:39
Christ commands it. I do it. It's as simple as that. but, you know your neighbor. you don't know Pirate.
And, seeing as the original greek keeps being pulled up anyway, what is the defenition of the 'love' and 'neighbor' used in those specific passages? "de deuteros homois autos houtos agapao sou plesion hos seautou" "The second is like it: you shall love your neighbor as yourself." plesion a neighbour 1. a friend 2. any other person, and where two are concerned, the other (thy fellow man, thy neighbour), according to the Jews, any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth 3. according to Christ, any other man irrespective of nation or religion with whom we live or whom we chance to meet agapao of persons 1. to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly. source
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:23 pm
Altruism is an ideal that I honestly do not believe possible, much less admirable. I put a lot of value on love and kindness. I award strangers civility until they give me a reason to like or dislike them. After that, I will force no false emotion for someone who really doesn't deserve my kindness, much less my love.
Anyway, only a few people have successfully gained my love. Those people being: My girlfriend and hopefully one-day wife, my mother, and my grandmother.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:50 am
PirateEire Altruism is an ideal that I honestly do not believe possible, much less admirable. I put a lot of value on love and kindness. I award strangers civility until they give me a reason to like or dislike them. After that, I will force no false emotion for someone who really doesn't deserve my kindness, much less my love. Anyway, only a few people have successfully gained my love. Those people being: My girlfriend and hopefully one-day wife, my mother, and my grandmother. but what is love?
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:46 am
I would equate it with adoration, and respect. I also personally feel that if you love (or hate) a person, it is such a strong emotion that you find yourself constantly thinking of that person. I refuse to love (or hate) anyone that I don't think of often. I also refuse to force myself to think of someone to fool myself into thinking I love (or hate) them. And, because I know this is going to come up as I continue to compare love to hate... My personal take on love is that it is sacred, and reserved for only special people in my life. This does not make me a misanthrope. I do not hate people any more easily than I do love people. Hate is an equally powerful emotion to love. So, I wrote this on the topic of hate, my own beliefs, and Satanic philosophy if you're up for a read: PirateEire One of my absolute most favourite aspects to Satanic philosophy is the reservation of love for those who are worthy of such a sentiment. You all know the philosophy; Altruistic love is foolish, not to mention almost always ingenuine. Shoveling out your love to people you hardly know is a waste of a perfectly good emotion that could be put to good use for your friends and loved-ones. Followers of the RHP would (try to) have you believe that they still give sufficient amounts of love to those who are close to them at the same time as dumping it all over ingrates, but what good is it to give Joe-Shmoe an emotion that would retain much more value when spent on your spouse, your child, your best friend, etcetera alone? I think most of us here can agree that it is without a doubt, not only impossible to "love" a stranger, but it is a waste to delude oneself into thinking that one can and does. Hate is just as precious a sentiment, though considerably less appreciated by the recipient of such. Like love is reserved for those who truly deserve one's love, I believe that hate is reserved for those who also truly deserve it. Hate is a powerful emotion, not unlike love. Hate is not something that I believe should be dulled and cheapened on behalf of strangers and those one need not subject oneself to. There is quality to hate, and when indiscriminately dealt out, it loses that quality. If one claims to hate everything that they do not at least moderately like, what effect will their truest hate have when someone who happens to truly deserve it crosses their path? Will it even phase the recipient of this hate to receive something that their enemy is projecting without second thought on a daily basis? Likely not. "By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones."
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:53 am
Burny, according to the dictionary, my definition is basically correct.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:35 pm
DemigoddessHalfdemon i like burnination PirateEire Sigh. If you don't know me, you can't love me. Love should be a cherished emotion, not something that is whored out to complete strangers. Gads, I hate altruism. it's possible to love someone even if you don't know them. I don't think so. I believe that love is a sincere and deep affection for those to whom you feel close, or an intimate relationship with those people. And maybe with chocolate. You can certainly feel charity for someone, and wish the best for them, even if you don't know them, but how can you say you love someone if you don't know what their values, dreams, etc are? But what kind of love are we talking about? three types of love: philleo: brotherly love eros: romantic love agappe: unfailing and eternal love of course, I'm gong off of a Christian tradition of love, but still. I believe it is completely possible to have a sense of philleo love for people you don't "know" very well. It is merely a sense of brotherly love for those around me....I have that with my classmates, my church family, friends, etc, to different degrees. I have a sense of philleo love for most people i come into contact with--including many of the guild members. Philleo, I believe, is the love that DemiGoddess described as feelings of charity and wishing the best. @Pirate: Thanks for the Daily Show clip! and mercy isn't necessary, you were within guild rules, so you did nothing wrong. also, she technically isn't a homophobe--because she doesn't have an irrational fear (phobia) of homosexual people/activity. She just is opposed to it. so, the rest of you statement stands, just not the part identifying her with a phobia. EDIT: So, Compassion, charity, wishing well, etc--Philleo. Romantic love--Eros. Agape--unfailing and eternal, like a parent's love for their child, often used to describe the love of God for his children.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:50 pm
PirateEire I would equate it with adoration, and respect. I also personally feel that if you love (or hate) a person, it is such a strong emotion that you find yourself constantly thinking of that person. I refuse to love (or hate) anyone that I don't think of often. I also refuse to force myself to think of someone to fool myself into thinking I love (or hate) them. And, because I know this is going to come up as I continue to compare love to hate... My personal take on love is that it is sacred, and reserved for only special people in my life. This does not make me a misanthrope. I do not hate people any more easily than I do love people. Hate is an equally powerful emotion to love. So, I wrote this on the topic of hate, my own beliefs, and Satanic philosophy if you're up for a read: PirateEire One of my absolute most favourite aspects to Satanic philosophy is the reservation of love for those who are worthy of such a sentiment. You all know the philosophy; Altruistic love is foolish, not to mention almost always ingenuine. Shoveling out your love to people you hardly know is a waste of a perfectly good emotion that could be put to good use for your friends and loved-ones. Followers of the RHP would (try to) have you believe that they still give sufficient amounts of love to those who are close to them at the same time as dumping it all over ingrates, but what good is it to give Joe-Shmoe an emotion that would retain much more value when spent on your spouse, your child, your best friend, etcetera alone? I think most of us here can agree that it is without a doubt, not only impossible to "love" a stranger, but it is a waste to delude oneself into thinking that one can and does. Hate is just as precious a sentiment, though considerably less appreciated by the recipient of such. Like love is reserved for those who truly deserve one's love, I believe that hate is reserved for those who also truly deserve it. Hate is a powerful emotion, not unlike love. Hate is not something that I believe should be dulled and cheapened on behalf of strangers and those one need not subject oneself to. There is quality to hate, and when indiscriminately dealt out, it loses that quality. If one claims to hate everything that they do not at least moderately like, what effect will their truest hate have when someone who happens to truly deserve it crosses their path? Will it even phase the recipient of this hate to receive something that their enemy is projecting without second thought on a daily basis? Likely not. "By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones." it seems that you view love as some sort of limited emotion and that you shouldn't heap amounts onto people you don't know. i think, also, that it would be good for you to define someone you don't know. do you draw a line between people you don't know of and people you simply don't know? or is it the same thing? because i think that it's entirely possible to not love people you don't know of (which i'm sure is pretty much a simple fact). but what is "someone you don't know"? would i count as "someone you don't know"? would a person you just met count as a "someone you don't know"? true, not everyone loves "Joe Shmoe" as much as their closest friend, but i think it's entirely possible to love both people all the same. one may have phileo for Joe Shmoe and agape for their closest friend. i think that calling the philanthropist's love or someone who loves people they barely know "ingenuine" is a disservice. Ro - i was just trying to find out how she defined love. mrgreen Row - there's also storge, which is a type of family love that's not the self-sacrificing agape. kind of like between siblings.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:42 am
i like burnination Row - there's also storge, which is a type of family love that's not the self-sacrificing agape. kind of like between siblings. THANK YOU! I knew I forgot one, but I couldn't figure out what it was! It's been bugging me all day.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:53 am
i like burnination PirateEire Altruism is an ideal that I honestly do not believe possible, much less admirable. I put a lot of value on love and kindness. I award strangers civility until they give me a reason to like or dislike them. After that, I will force no false emotion for someone who really doesn't deserve my kindness, much less my love. Anyway, only a few people have successfully gained my love. Those people being: My girlfriend and hopefully one-day wife, my mother, and my grandmother. but what is love?
Couldn't resist. xd
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:06 pm
JesusFreak60148 i like burnination PirateEire Altruism is an ideal that I honestly do not believe possible, much less admirable. I put a lot of value on love and kindness. I award strangers civility until they give me a reason to like or dislike them. After that, I will force no false emotion for someone who really doesn't deserve my kindness, much less my love. Anyway, only a few people have successfully gained my love. Those people being: My girlfriend and hopefully one-day wife, my mother, and my grandmother. but what is love?
Couldn't resist. xd i was thinking the same thing. gonk
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:32 am
Hey peeps, My Seksi car broke( crying gonk ), so I had to get a bus down to my parents house in Santa Jorje(St. George) to get my other Vehicle until Seksi is out of the shop. My parents are odd in the fact that they have the TV running 24/7, which would explain why the TV I gave them just before I left is now sitting in the spare room with a bad picture tube.
Anyway, this story has context, don't worry. While here, I was watching the Morning news while getting some coffee before I head out back home, and one of the Headlines caught my eye. The New Jersey Courts have ruled that Homosexual Couples are to be granted every right that a Heterosexual couple has, and this cannot be repealed as in the history of debate on the subject, not a single person has been able to put forward one iota of evidence as to how this is a bad thing.
Ha.
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:23 am
Yes!! Go New Jersey!!
I'm just hoping Minnesota leans democratic these elections. I'll be voting for my first time this year. The democratic candidate for U.S. Senate openly states that she is for equal rights for homosexuals. She certainly has my vote. ^.~
I wanna marry Dawn so bad. ;_; I keep bringing it up, and she laughs. I ask her why she laughs, and she says, "Well, it's never gonna be legal here. We can't."
><;;;
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