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 Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:41 pm
Kitsune: My friends and I were wondering the same thing with Bill and Fleur. They might do it as just a spurt of the moment thing, because it is confirmed that Fleur will be coming back for the seventh movie. I also heard rumors-this is just a rumor, not confirmed or anything-that the wedding will be Tonks and Lupin. I too was disappointed with the lack of memories, I think that it would have been amazing if we could have seen Voldemort's family, and sort of see how he came to be who he is today in the books. Snape is also one of my favorite characters, so I was looking forward to the confrontation of Harry and Snape at the end of the movie and it sort of happened, I just would have liked Snape to show more rage and stuff because we hardly ever see him show real emotion like that. But I'm really looking forward to the part in the seventh movie where Harry sees Snape's memories...I will be sobbing during that part, I mean he is one of my favorite characters, plus he didn't really deserve to die.
Para: Good luck with work and everything. I hope you like your job.
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:31 pm
Welcome to Ravenclaw, Dollie!
Kitsune: Haha yeah, I know you love ranting.
Very messed up...they were awesome in the books! And the Bill and Fleur wedding thing...I guess that's another major part they're gonna take out because it doesn't contribute to the story of Harry killing Voldemort and saving the Wizarding world.
Yeah, Meatball, you're not alone. Even though I read the book after I saw the movie, I could tell there was something missing...then I read the book and found out "OH! There were more memories!" I wanted to see Lily and Severus's puppy love...:'(
They sell 60 PACKS OF GUM?! REALLY?! I only get the little 12 packs...
Para: Good luck at work!
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:22 am
Does anyone have an idea as to how they are going to explain Bill's scars?
I have seen a picture of him that is current and depicts him with them but without the Battle they won't make sense. I can understand the Director wanting to avoid repetition as the in the eighth movie they would be battling at Hogwarts once again but too many important things happened at the Battle of the Astronomy like Bill receiving his scars and Fleur proving she loved Bill for more than just looks.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:20 pm
Demonic :
Maybe they will explain it some how. Or just not explain it to make all those none book readers confused. Make them want to read the book. I guess they could also make a fight They add stuff to movies all the time. They added a scene to Harry Potter and the half blood prince. Personally I just hope they don't totally ruin the movie.
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Minerva the Bookwyrm Crew
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:29 pm
Welcome, new Ravenclaws! whee LHH posted a James Potter fan fic contest this month. I heart the Marauders, so I'm looking forward to reading the entries. If you enter, then you earn House points and have the chance to win a great prize.
Don't forget to stop by the Great Hall and write a letter to a first year!
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:30 pm
Yes Kineka, here they sell 60 packs of gum. Forget a six-pack of beer is what I say!
I love Extra <3 There's only two tastes that they sell in 60-packs, but they are my favorites.
And DemonicDollie.. They MIGHT just add a conversation in the next film, where they explain that Bill was hurt during the summer, after a small fight with some Death Eaters or something..
I really wanna enter the competition.. Problem is, I have no plot for James. xD; Kinda wish that it was Severus, since I've already written a fanfic with him as the main character.
I can't wait till September! I posted a suggestion about a character-tribute competition. It'll start in September.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:00 am
Kitsune: I was thinking of something like that as well. It still takes some of the meaning out of the scars in my mind.
I'm thinking of entering the fanfiction contest as well. As to what kind of piece I would write is still in the air but then again preplanning isn't really my style.
A chapter-tribute is competition is starting in September? Awesome!
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:04 pm
Demonic: Maybe when the Order is rescuing Harry from the Dursleys and the Death Eaters come and attack, maybe that could be when Bill gets all his scars.
I wish I could enter the competition...but I suck at developing storylines...That's probably why I only write poetry.
ONLY ONE MORE DAY OF DRIVING WITH MY INSTRUCTOR LEFT!!!
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:33 pm
Well Nariko... That'll be a hilarious scene! biggrin Fenrir?! On a broom!? I'd pay to see that. Well... I would be paying to see that since I'd be on a cinema and all.. But still.
Driving.. It's a year till I can take my license... once I've taken it I'll probably cry in sorrow for the 4000 dollars it cost for the license. It's so expensive, it hurts. If you need any extra driving lessons than the ones acquired.. It'll be even more expensive.
Stupid Norway and their stupid expenses... Maybe I'll just work in Norway but live in another country. Probably live a veeeery good life then. High paychecks, high prices.
Not to mention the "I'm stealing 30% of your money~" taxes.
I just came down from a 4 - 5 hour long conversation with my steph-father. We talked a lot of philosophy, religion (Especially Christianity, the hypocritical behavior of some Christians, the controversies you can find in the bible, and horrendous translation. And let's not forget the cultural influences on the behavior of Christians throughout the times.)
We also talked loads of science. We watched two shows that we've recorded, one about how the earth was created (That is a LOT of luck if it is only a coincidence) and one about theories about what the Universe is made of, it's possible shape and size and some about dimensions.
Apparently, there's a theory that instead of only the standard three dimensions, the Universe consists of up to eleven different dimensions. However, humans can only see three of them.
The existence of more than three is quite logical, when you consider how weak gravitation is... It is the weakest of all the forces that the universe consists of. However, had it been stronger, it'd tear the universe to shreds.
Very fascinating program. Of course, it is just a hypothesis. It's not certain, nor proven. But interesting if true.
And just a question to the Christians on here that I lack an answer too.. (I wouldn't call myself a proper Christian... Since there are many Christian actions and believes that makes me wonder...)
How can God have created humans with a free will.. And yet follow "Gods Plan"? After all, if we follow a plan of any kind, how can we then have free will?
Errrr... Well.. Guess this is a ramble that is so far off topic that it's off the charts. So I'll just be quiet now.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:31 pm
$6000 dollars to get a license? wow, it was like $40 to get mine. I'm so glad I got mine, I've been driving for over 2 years now and well I get tired of driving. All I drive to is work, home, my boyfriends house and back home again.
Kitsune:
I think I've seen that show, it was on the History Channel this spring I think. I'm Roman Catholic and the way I see an answer to your question is,
God gave us free will to choose the right or bad path. He doesn't stop us, but God is all-knowing, he already knows which path we are going to take. Maybe he sees both of the paths, who knows? God only knows. That's the way I've been taught, we follow God's plan to help humanity, love God and live a peaceful, humble life on Earth and try to do as much as we can as Christians and humans. If you're not Christian, then just living a decent life, serving the community and not only thinking about yourself, makes us happy. Selfish people are unhappy because they are ignoring what they should be doing.
This is my opinion and what I was taught in catechism at my church and as a Catholic, I'm not trying to instill my religion on anyone, just answering a question to the best of my abilities.
Religion isn't logical, it's all a matter of faith, which is illogical.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:00 am
It is really expensive. We have several obligated classes we have to take which all costs quite a lot, add that to the theoretic exam and the practical exam.. And then add the cost of the license itself, and there's quite a few thousand.
Here we're allowed to start practicing driving with an adult as long as we've turned 16 and taken the basic course. Which cost.. 400 dollars?
Ah! So you've seen it? -Wait... It was on History Channel? You sure it wasn't National Geographic or Discovery Channel? But then again, it is the origin of the earth, so I guess it is History.
And I know you aren't trying to push your views onto others! biggrin I kinda brought it up because I wanted a discussion. And what better place to actually discuss matters such as religion, science and philosophy than within Ravenclaw!
(I LOVE discussing religion. Especially if the people I'm discussing with has other views than me.)
But there's not only one path... You have so many choices in life. And every choice you make doesn't only affect you, but also everyone around you. If you choose to go out now, and get hit by a car, that choice would affect everyone you know, the driver who hit you, and people the driver knew. It'd also affect the people you know on the internet... And then we all would have several choices and reactions open to us.
However, if you didn't go out, or just took some extra time to tie your shoelace, then you wouldn't get hit by the car, and it wouldn't affect any of us. "Cause and Effect". There's way too many causes and effects, way too many choices, for us to be both following a plan at the same time as having a free will.
Another thing that I really want to ask some people is something I ended up speculating about. This is just something that formed out of a lot of speculating. So it might not make much sense. biggrin
God is supposedly all that is good. God is supposedly Love. Jesus said once in the bible "I am not good. But my father in heaven is."
Looking at that, it would seem that God is pure good. God is incapable of doing evil.
However! If God created humans, and we all know that humans are capable of doing evil.. Then God created evil. And it is impossible, even for God, to create something he is not. So he must be evil, as well as good.
Of course, you can blame Lucifer, the devil, Satan or whatever name you wish to call him. But then, God supposedly created the devil. Whom is evil. Of course, him turning evil was supposedly a choice. But for the Devil to even have the opportunity to turn evil, evil already had to exist. For God to create any creature with the mindset to do evil, God has to be capable of knowing what evil is. And to know what evil or good is, you have to be capable of doing good and evil.
Also, there's the forbidden fruit which is in a way "Pandora's Box". When Eva ate it, she released Death, evil, and all similar unpleasantness. However, God did create this fruit. God created that tree, that seed of all that is harmful to us.
Thereby God can't be pure good.
Unless God is schizophrenic.
But then.. What I also find interesting is that supposedly God sent "Lucifer and his Fallen Angels" into the abyss. Beneath the earth. Yet, at the same time.. the Devil is on earth.
Which might mean that Lucifer and the Devil isn't one and the same.
There have been many speculations of this, and it has never been certain that the Fallen Angel Lucifer is the devil..
But then, why did God create the Devil? You might say that God created evil, the devil, and the forbidden fruit to put humanity to a test of loyalty. However, why not just forbid them from eating from a harmless tree?
Also, if God is all-knowing, why did he create humans when we mostly just cause misery? Why did he create humans if he knew that they were going to do each other such evil? Why did God create Lucifer if he knew he was going to turn?
If God created the Universe, then he most likely have to follow the laws of his own creation. So you can say the laws of physics would be the limits of Gods powers. If that is the case, then God can't see the future anymore than we do.
If he does see the future further than we, then the aspect of free will would only be in our own minds.
And that isn't entirely unrealistic either. Since we have no way of knowing our own future, we have no idea whether our will is our own or not.
But then, if we do follow Gods plan, he really is messed up for allowing things like the Holocaust to happen.
If you say that everything that happens is Gods will, you deny the existence of free will. If you insist that God created humans with free will, you deny that everything is Gods plan.
Of course, God might be looking at a "Bigger picture". The beginning, the middle, and the end. And that the small details within the big picture is ours to form.. That's the only way I can see that free will can co-exist with a plan involving the future.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:31 pm
The way I see it Kitsune, great questions by the way, is that God loves humans. He loves humans so much he let's them do what they want, kinda like parent in the end lets their children live their life. It's basically the same thing, and yes, they are many paths, but all paths lead to Rome so they say. All paths lead to God in my opinion, we have no choice but to die.
People always ask why does God let bad things happen and the holocaust happen. God is not evil. He is good, so good, he lets his children choose everything, even when it hurts him. I know when I sin, I must hurt him, but he will always have his arms wide open for me and forgive me. No matter how bad the sin, not that I've done horrible things but you know, just the idea.
God created Lucifer, his most precious and close angel, Lucifer chose to betray God and became the devil. He will always be forgiven but Lucifer is too prideful to repent.
I think that there has to be a balance in the world. God, always knew that Lucifer was going to betray him, like Jesus knew that Judas was to betray him. It was their role in the end to do those roles. If there was no evil, how could people do good and vice versa. It's a balance and because humans aren't perfect we have both good and evil in us, due to Adam and Eve's choice to eat the apple.
There has to be evil and bad things have to happen to test us. Our short life on Earth is a test. How we live it decides where we will go after we die.
If we are good to heaven bad to hell. Purgatory for the rest of us humans who were good but had problems. I live a good life because I don't want to go to hell. Having hope of where I go is better than believing that there is nothing left and we just die, that would make me depressed.
I don't know if I've explained it correctly. sweatdrop
God created everything and yes evil in the process because he created good (angels, humans..) but left free will and therefore evil, he didn't create it intentionally. He loves the world so much, that he even gave his son to be sacrificed for our sins, so yes, I think he is a good God.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:54 pm
I'm Roman Catholic also and here's what I think:
God told Adam and Eve that they could eat from any tree they wanted in the Garden of Eden except that one tree (it's supposedly an apple tree, but who knows?). They both chose to eat fruit from the one forbidden tree and that is what created free will according to the bible. The reason I think that God told them that is because he was testing whether or not they would listen and obey him. And when they ate from the tree, they unleashed free will onto the world, but God still loved them and forgave them because they were truly sorry for sinning. And God still does that today. Because he knows that with free will in the world everyone will sin because no one was perfect except for Jesus and his mother Mary. And Jesus sacrificed himself to save us from our sins. And I think that God can't see exactly what we're going to do, it's sort of like he can see all the paths that our lives could possibly take, and He won't know what path exactly that we will take until we die. I like to think of it like that, that He doesn't know exactly what will happen, but He can see all of the possibilities. I also don't think he's evil. Para is right, we do need balance in the world, so we need good and evil, light and dark in the world. I think God did that because he hoped that by having evil and temptation in the world we would choose the right path, and even if we did something wrong then He would forgive us, and it's one of those things where you learn from your mistakes. So I think that God was hoping that we would learn from what we did wrong and try to not do it again. But He will always forgive anyone if they are truly sorry because God loves everyone of us and He made every single one of us. And He loves us so much that He decided to make free will in the form of the fruit tree. So when Eve ate from the tree it was sort of like when your parents let you do what you want and live on your own basically. He let us live our lives the way we wanted but still hoping that we would lead good lives the way the bible tells us we should if that makes any sense. It's sort of hard to explain.
With Lucifer, I also agree with Para. God created Lucifer, but Lucifer decided to betray God for whatever reason, and so God banished Lucifer from the Kingdom of Heaven basically. But He will still forgive Lucifer if he would ever want forgiveness, but like Para said, he is too prideful. So I think that as long as Lucifer is too prideful to repent, then there will always be evil on the Earth. And people will continue to go to Hell. That's basically the best way that I can explain it, it's sort of hard to put my thoughts into words.
And here, (at least where I go to school), we can take the permit test when we turn 15 and a half, and that costs $20. Then the actual in class costs around $150, and then I don't know how much it costs to get a license, I'm not 16 yet. So it's really not that expensive.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:24 pm
Very good answers! I really just wanted to hear what people thought of it.. And it does make sense.
So new religious questions...
Why is it that almost all the Christian religions is there an existance of hell, where people go to if they have sinned and didn't repend for it or didn't believe in the existance of God.
The existance of hell indicates that God is vengeful, does injustice to the people he supposedly loves so much he gave them freewill, and constantly is guilty of at least two deadly sins, Pride and Envy.
To cast someone into eternal damnation, and torture them, for a limited time of sins is the same as if someone here insulted me, and I decided to torture them to death.
That isn't justice, that's injustice, inhumane and not to mention down right evil and cruel.
And to say that Satan is torturing them would be wrong as well. Why would Satan torture people who had betrayed God like he did? Wouldn't he instead try to lead them onto his side, so that they would fight with him in the apocalypse?
The notion of Satan being in hell is also wrong according to the bible. After all, if Satan were in hell, how would he be able to lead people into temptation? In which case, Satan is on earth trying to lead people into sinning and away from God.
Then who is torturing people in hell?
The very existance of hell means that God is torturing people in hell. If you claim that the Satan is doing it, that opposes the fact that Satan is working against God, and the claims that Satan tries to lead people astray.
In which case, Satan is helping God by torturing people who didn't believe in him. And that doesn't make any sense, does it? And in such a scenario, God is still doing unjustice.
So the very existance of hell either conters the claim that God is all that is good and justice, or that Satan is working against God.
If the explanation of Hell had been a place where people attoned for their sins, and not just endless, purposeless torture, it'd make more sense.
If hell is real, that means we can torture criminals as much as we want to, without being morally wrong. The difference is, we can only torture a person till they die. Hell tortures a person for eternity.
No sin, no action, no thoughts, no words is so bad that your soul is damned for eternity.
If God can punish someone for eternity for disbelief, murder, rape or any other sins, then he is not forgiving, nor loving.
Which contracticts to the New Testament. Doesn't really contratict much to the Old Testament, where God was directly cruel.
Of course, the cruelty of God in the Old Testament is just a matter of cultural belief. There, women ment nothing, and it was a man-ruled society.
Now that I've taken Hell, why not talk Heaven as well.
Heaven is supposed to be bliss, happiness and all that is good.
However, if the existance of hell and heaven is real... How can anyone be happy knowing that there are people being tortured in hell? People that you might've known and loved on earth?
That should torture anyones conscience.
Some of the arguments I've heard is that your past is cleansed or you don't care about it or you don't suffer such thoughts in paradise.
But that means your free will is taken away. That means your conscience is removed. Your sense of justice is non existant. It means you're not a thinking, feeling human being anymore.
Which brings up the theme of happiness. The feeling happiness is the opposite of misery. To be able to feel either miserable or happy, you'll have to be able to feel the conterpart. You can't be happy, if you can't be miserable, just as you can't be miserable if you can't be happy.
So if heaven is bliss, that wouldn't make you happy. You'd just live in ignorance, with a feeling of bliss, which you wouldn't be able to know what is, since you can't feel unhappy.
The suicide rates are the highest in the richer countries. Why? Because we have no idea how good lives we have. We have no idea how it is to be truly poor, to truly suffer. If someone who has gone through true suffering were given our lives, they'd be able to enjoy it much better than we would.
Our problems would seem like nothing to them.
Thereby, if you're in constant bliss, you'd be depressed by the smallest thing. If someone had something you wanted, you'd think life was unfair, that your life was horrid, and you'd eventually want to kill yourself for no reason at all.
But then, maybe you can't feel like that in Heaven. It still means you can't really enjoy yourself since you don't know what it is like to feel miserable.
You'd be completely empathic.
Both of you did say you'd need balance. How is Heaven or Hell balance when both is two different ways of torture? One where you'd be in constant pain, one where you'd be emotionaly dead?
And if you went to heaven, with the emotional capability you have at the present.. The knowledge that your child or mother or lover went to hell would be constant torture for you. Because you'd still love them, and wouldn't want to see them in pain, right?
So why does people find comfort in the existance of hell and heaven, when it would mean physical or emotional pain respectively? Or one where you'd be unfairly tortured for a few years of sin for eternity, or where you'd lose your free will?
Neither seem like a very good place in my point of view.
So thereby, the very existance of hell means that heaven is just another form of it's conterpart. Two sides of the same coin so to say.
On another note.... I really need to check whether a license from America would be valid in Norway... Then I could just go to the States to get a license. biggrin A holiday and license for the same price as the license itself would be here.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:54 am
God is a very powerful man. He could decide to kill us all for no reason OR maybe he has a reason sweatdrop . Why are we even talking about god ?
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