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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:13 am


In a way, but still Lois has spent so much time seeing him OUT of disguise that you would think that even as Superman she would STILL be able to recognize him. I mean she has spent SO MUCH time with him, that I'm sure his face is etched into her mind and Clark is already 21, he is not going to change much more in physical appearance.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:43 am


That's where suspension of disbelief breaks down. But it's not really about recognising his face, is it? With his glasses he still looks very similar; if I put on a pair of glasses and start acting clumsier than usual people don't ask "Where's Mary?" It's because people don't want to see Superman as a normal person, or deal with the fact that Clark might be an alien, and because they don't believe that someone like Superman would 'need' glasses or want to lead a normal life when he has all these fantastic powers. She might just dismiss their striking similarity as being an amazing coincidence of epic proportions.

And Lois, I guess they've established her as thinking he's geeky and normal anyway; not to mention back in season four she said she'd let people have their secrets, and she didn't know whether she wanted to know for certain whether Ollie was the Green Arrow; it was implied that Clark kind of talked her round. I think they're getting at the idea that even if she had her suspicions, she'd leave it to Clark to tell her the truth.

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:55 am


But if someone you knew VERY well and LIVED with were to save your life in some extraordinary way, you are going to tell me that you wouldn't recognize that person you knew so well because you saw their true self? Their mentalities can change, but it doesn't change their outer appearance. Clark Kent is able to pull off his disguise through both the ability to change character AND the fact that he is able to fair some glasses. Think of Superman II as soon as Clark's glasses are knocked off, even his clumsy self could not help but be recognized by Lois. Lois on Smallville has also witnessed Clark in unexplainable situations. Finding out that Clark is some sort of super human would only help to clear the fog like it does with everyone else.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:22 am


`Chloe Sullivan`
But if someone you knew VERY well and LIVED with were to save your life in some extraordinary way, you are going to tell me that you wouldn't recognize that person you knew so well because you saw their true self?

I'm saying that if I saw one of my best friends, especially someone I considered to be a geek, flying around in blue tights and a red cape and doing things that are quite frankly fantastic, I would think I was losing my marbles. In that case, yeah, I might keep my suspicions to myself until I had some real confirmation.

`Chloe Sullivan`
Their mentalities can change, but it doesn't change their outer appearance. Clark Kent is able to pull off his disguise through both the ability to change character AND the fact that he is able to fair some glasses.

It's not just that he looks and acts differently; it's that people don't want to know, and he gives them the opportunity not to.

`Chloe Sullivan`
Think of Superman II as soon as Clark's glasses are knocked off, even his clumsy self could not help but be recognized by Lois.

In Superman I Lois briefly suspected Clark of being Superman at the end because of his coincidental disappearances and then dismissed it because the idea that this superhuman would run around as Clark Kent seemed ridiculous. When she saw him without his glasses in Superman II, it just reignited her suspicions, but it wasn't that hard for him to convince her otherwise (even though she should have seen it coming that he'd try to save her without using his powers). Then she put herself down for being "irrational".

When she realised it was him, it wasn't because his glasses fell off again, it was because she saw him put his hand in the fire and it wasn't burned, and because he let her see it. The original movies present some out-of-date ideas about the superhero/secret identity dynamic, but the producers have said that's what they want to match Smallville up with, so I guess that's what we're basing this on. She had her suspicions, but it just seemed so far out.

`Chloe Sullivan`
Lois on Smallville has also witnessed Clark in unexplainable situations.

I don't know. She always seems to write it off as coincidence or whatever. It probably doesn't help that half the time when he comes to save her, she actually saves herself (Exposed, Fanatic). The only time I can think of off the top of my head where it really warranted an explanation and the writers let us down was Combat.

`Chloe Sullivan`
Finding out that Clark is some sort of super human would only help to clear the fog like it does with everyone else.

I agree that it would, but I think she would wait for him to tell her or give her some kind of sign rather than confronting him about it outright, or operating on the assumption that it's true.

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:47 am


People DO want to know who these superheroes are though. Its the unwarranted state of curiosity that everyone has that would want to know WHO was there. Lois didn't see Clark without his glasses until he tripped in the hotel room. But Lois has had herself in situations where Clark leaves her and other situations where she HAS witnessed his cheesy excuses. The problem with Smallville is that they basically made Lois just another Smallville female who is saved by Clark all the time and is just given cheesy excuses as answers. On more then several accounts has she been saved by Clark.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:03 am


People don't want to know things that put responsibility on them. In the abstract, people think they'd want to know if Superman had a secret identity; in reality, they don't want to deal with the consequences of knowing. It frightens them.

Lois is a little different; I think she probably doesn't want to deal with the fact that the guy she loves and/or her best friend (depending on which version) might actually be an alien. Or maybe she wants to know, and is fine with that, but she wants him to want her to know.

She caught a glimpse of him without his glasses in Superman II when they were fogged up by the spray and she took them off his face to clean up. That's what lead her to accuse him of being Superman and then jump into the rapids.

I really can't think of any time off the top of my head where Lois has been saved by Clark and given a really cringe-worthy excuse. neutral

And frankly, they've always depicted her as being capable of taking care of herself within reason (Gone, Facade, Exposed, Fanatic, Arrow, Hydro, Combat). When she's had to be saved, it's in situations where you couldn't reasonably expect anyone else to save themself.

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:26 pm


Actually she jumped into the rapids because He wasn't there when Superman saved the kid at Niagara Falls.

And she is saved by Clark a lot and when does Clark NOT have a "cringe worthy excuse"

anyway I think we are off topic by now anyway.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:54 pm


The thread's been off-topic for quite a while now. You know, it's really exasperating when you're having a dialogue with somebody and then they're suddenly like "we're off-topic" so that they have the last word. neutral

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:59 pm


er, yeah i was definitely not referring it to that way. the thing about topics like these is that after you say it most people CAN gt back on topic. I was saying it for the sake of the guild rules that requests people to stay on topic. I wasn't the one who made the rule, but i am the one who tries to follow the rule. Either way SOMEONE was going to say something sooner or later.

Clana still disgusts me. There whole little "scene" in Nemesis
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:03 pm


`Chloe Sullivan`
I totally agree about the whole Chlark thing, but I mean Lois was always the more outgoing one in the comics. Clark is just suppose to be kid who mumbles, bumbles, and is a total nerd... In Smallville Clark is a lot more outgoing and doesn't really hold a disguise...which kind of bugs me at some times.


You know him not wearing a disguise doesn't bother me. I kinda like the fact that he hasn't gotten his superman outfit yet. But I figured you would agree with me on the Chlark issue Chloe.

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:59 pm


xp it's how i roll basically. But on a serious note, i agree about the superman outfit to an extent. I mean I still want him to be progressing in his coming of age. But at the same time with all the drama that is being created by the marriage storyline, i feel like it is taking a lot away from the original plot. Which brings me back to Clana. Clana is so repetitive that if you ask me it is totally killing the original plot line of "Clark Kent: Story of before the boy became the Super man." Which has turned into in my opinion "Clark Kent: The hopeless romantic of his high school sweet heart, who is now twenty-one and needs to start progressing to his future but won't."
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:54 am


I think we can all agree on that.

Foetus In Fetu


`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:29 am


Can i just say one thing....

I don't think it was the M&Ms
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:19 am


HA! it looks like the bribing worked? xd
aahh not really though...somehow they'll find a way to end it rolleyes gonk

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`Chloe Sullivan`

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:58 am


of course they will. Technically Clark and Lana are not officially together either. So I wouldn't be counting those chickens just yet....
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