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 Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:22 pm
PirateEire Militant Christian i like burnination Quote: If my cat was human yeah I'd date him just cause he's cuddly and affectionate and stuff...but I wouldn't date him as a cat..thats just...weird and disturbing.. let's turn that around. if my male friend was a girl i'd date him because he's a cool person. but i wouldn't date him as a guy. that's just weird and disturbing. and so because of my own personal tastes, everyone should obey it? that's like saying, "i don't have a foot fetish, so it should be outlawed to do things like that." so...what you're saying is...just because you're not gay, doesn't mean you're going to put up laws against homosexuals? Yeah... Burny, I think you just made your argument for the legalization of gay marriage. *Claps.* ah crap! whee it's not personal taste though. i've never said it should be outlawed because i wouldn't marry a guy. my reasoning is because of religious reasoning. also, i just thought i'd throw this out here: an atheist (he has attested to it, so i'm not just saying that) coroner in San Francisco mentioned in a book of his that crimes of jealousy commited by homosexuals have been more violent than heterosexuals. not sure exactly what this means. i just wanted to get your opinion on it. and yeah, i can reference it if you want. sheesh, stop being so skeptical. and Lilith, usually when i'm in topics like this, i expect most things to be serious. >___>
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:36 pm
But what is marriage for? Having children, yes? In most cases, anyway. And studies show that children raised by same-sex parents have problems similar to those raised by single parents.
...and no, I'm not going into the evidence. Why? Because I already know I'm not going to change your mind, so it would be completely pointless.
Regardless of scientific studies and whatnot, my sole basis for anything I believe is what the Bible says. Yes, you can point out "Paul-meant-this" and "Soddom-and-Gomorrah-also-did-that"; I've heard it all before. But the truth is, the Bible mentions varrying degrees of homosexuality too much, and it's always frowned upon. Also look at Adam and Eve; God looked at them and said it was good, that was His plan. And when God discusses marriage, He never says anything about a man marrying another man. A woman is to submit to her husband and a husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church. A man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife.
That's my belief. I believe it to the point that there is no doubt in my mind that it is false. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to change my mind.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:44 pm
i like burnination ah crap! whee it's not personal taste though. i've never said it should be outlawed because i wouldn't marry a guy. my reasoning is because of religious reasoning. also, i just thought i'd throw this out here: an atheist (he has attested to it, so i'm not just saying that) coroner in San Francisco mentioned in a book of his that crimes of jealousy commited by homosexuals have been more violent than heterosexuals. not sure exactly what this means. i just wanted to get your opinion on it. and yeah, i can reference it if you want. sheesh, stop being so skeptical. and Lilith, usually when i'm in topics like this, i expect most things to be serious. >___>
Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family) mentioned this during a radio program about homosexuality. Romans 1:26 says, "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature." Because they kept rejecting God, God "gave them up to their vile passions". He completely left them and let them "burn in their lust" (v27). That's why they're more violent -- God gives them over to their passions and lets them burn in their lust.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:48 pm
JesusFreak60148 But what is marriage for? Having children, yes? In most cases, anyway. And studies show that children raised by same-sex parents have problems similar to those raised by single parents.
...and no, I'm not going into the evidence. Why? Because I already know I'm not going to change your mind, so it would be completely pointless.
Regardless of scientific studies and whatnot, my sole basis for anything I believe is what the Bible says. Yes, you can point out "Paul-meant-this" and "Soddom-and-Gomorrah-also-did-that"; I've heard it all before. But the truth is, the Bible mentions varrying degrees of homosexuality too much, and it's always frowned upon. Also look at Adam and Eve; God looked at them and said it was good, that was His plan. And when God discusses marriage, He never says anything about a man marrying another man. A woman is to submit to her husband and a husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church. A man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife.
That's my belief. I believe it to the point that there is no doubt in my mind that it is false. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to change my mind. there are many marriages that never end up with Children, the claim as such is pointless.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:23 am
JesusFreak60148 i like burnination ah crap! whee it's not personal taste though. i've never said it should be outlawed because i wouldn't marry a guy. my reasoning is because of religious reasoning. also, i just thought i'd throw this out here: an atheist (he has attested to it, so i'm not just saying that) coroner in San Francisco mentioned in a book of his that crimes of jealousy commited by homosexuals have been more violent than heterosexuals. not sure exactly what this means. i just wanted to get your opinion on it. and yeah, i can reference it if you want. sheesh, stop being so skeptical. and Lilith, usually when i'm in topics like this, i expect most things to be serious. >___>
Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family) mentioned this during a radio program about homosexuality. Romans 1:26 says, "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature." Because they kept rejecting God, God "gave them up to their vile passions". He completely left them and let them "burn in their lust" (v27). That's why they're more violent -- God gives them over to their passions and lets them burn in their lust.I'd like to point out that not all homosexuals are that way, infact I know very calm homosexuals, and I'm bisexual AND a believer of God... I really don't think God gave me up to anything, at all. Also, I know of violent hetrosexual couples... and controling ones, when it comes to jealousy. It's all in the person, not their sexaul preferance.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:35 am
Se Ga Takai JesusFreak60148 But what is marriage for? Having children, yes? In most cases, anyway. And studies show that children raised by same-sex parents have problems similar to those raised by single parents.
...and no, I'm not going into the evidence. Why? Because I already know I'm not going to change your mind, so it would be completely pointless.
Regardless of scientific studies and whatnot, my sole basis for anything I believe is what the Bible says. Yes, you can point out "Paul-meant-this" and "Soddom-and-Gomorrah-also-did-that"; I've heard it all before. But the truth is, the Bible mentions varrying degrees of homosexuality too much, and it's always frowned upon. Also look at Adam and Eve; God looked at them and said it was good, that was His plan. And when God discusses marriage, He never says anything about a man marrying another man. A woman is to submit to her husband and a husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church. A man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife.
That's my belief. I believe it to the point that there is no doubt in my mind that it is false. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to change my mind. there are many marriages that never end up with Children, the claim as such is pointless. *nods* yes, I do agree with you, Takai. Not everyone who is hetrosexual wishes to have kids. I'll also point out adoption and sperm doners in this case for homosexual couples. I'd also like to say that for the most part I was raised by my mother, a single parent, and I don't have social problems or anything like that.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:22 am
JesusFreak60148 But what is marriage for? Having children, yes? No. There are several people who do not marry for children. I personally know two people who are just friends who married for the military breaks they get. The male in said relationship is actually gay. Now then, let's not neglect married couples who don't want children or cannot have children--as well as homosexual couples who decide to adopt or choose artificial insemination. JesusFreak60148 And studies show that children raised by same-sex parents have problems similar to those raised by single parents. Which are...? Are they the same risks they claim children are vulnerable to in ethnic minority households, and low income households, and only-child households, and all other types of families that don't fit the mold of a mother-father 2.5 child family with a white fence and a golden retriever? JesusFreak60148 ...and no, I'm not going into the evidence. Why? Because you fail at debate? JesusFreak60148 Because I already know I'm not going to change your mind, so it would be completely pointless. If you weren't trying to change anyone's mind and/or make a point, you would not be posting in the first place. Provide evidence for your claims, and you will be taken a little more seriously. JesusFreak60148 Regardless of scientific studies and whatnot, my sole basis for anything I believe is what the Bible says. Hooray for blind conviction! JesusFreak60148 Yes, you can point out "Paul-meant-this" and "Soddom-and-Gomorrah-also-did-that"; " also did that?" And what is that in addition to? Approaching some people and wanting a loving, committed, homosexual relationship--oh wait! They didn't do that--they wanted to FORCEABLY RAPE SOME STRANGERS. JesusFreak60148 Also look at Adam and Eve; God looked at them and said it was good, that was His plan. God said that light was good as well--hence, darkness is bad. A sound logic you've got. JesusFreak60148 And when God discusses marriage, He never says anything about a man marrying another man. Hence, he does not condemn it in the Bible. Well done. JesusFreak60148 A woman is to submit to her husband My, that sounds delightful... JesusFreak60148 That's my belief. I believe it to the point that there is no doubt in my mind that it is false. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to change my mind. Again, hooray for blind conviction. You go, girl. Send them immigrants back to Mexico, make those Iraqis pay for 9/11, put pro-choicers to death, four more years, and all that jazz!!
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:38 am
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:43 am
JesusFreak60148 Also look at Adam and Eve; God looked at them and said it was good, that was His plan. Maybe he was speaking of their love for each other. Or maybe saying "damn, I'm good!"
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:06 am
Way to be civil, Eire. I applaud you.
Like I said, I'm not debating, I'm stating my beliefs. I'm sorry if that offends you.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:03 pm
JesusFreak60148 Way to be civil, Eire. I applaud you.
Like I said, I'm not debating, I'm stating my beliefs. I'm sorry if that offends you. I'm a Satanist--I don't make it a point to be civil when I'm feeling less-inclined to. We have this wonderful statement that I have abided by for what feels like my entire life--kindness to those who deserve it. Your beliefs do offend me. I am a lesbian. You are a homophobe. We are natural enemies. PS -- This is a debate thread. Debate or shoo. Watch me get kicked for this. Mercy, Rowena! Mercy! I've had a long tiring day of yelling at fluffy pagans! u.u;
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:29 pm
I'm sorry that my beliefs offend you. But I'm not going to change them.
But I don't think we have to be enemies. I love you because I believe God made you and He loves you. I have no hatred for you whatsoever. Nor do I consider myself a "homophobe". I think homosexuality is a sin, but that doesn't mean that I hate people who practice it. Love the sinner, hate the sin, to put it shortly. And technically, a "phobia" is a fear, and I definitely do not fear homosexuals. I just disagree with what they do. Actually, I used to have a friend who was bisexual. Again, I didn't approve of what she did, but that doesn't mean I loved her any less.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:04 am
Sigh. If you don't know me, you can't love me. Love should be a cherished emotion, not something that is whored out to complete strangers. Gads, I hate altruism.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:16 am
PirateEire Sigh. If you don't know me, you can't love me. Love should be a cherished emotion, not something that is whored out to complete strangers. Gads, I hate altruism. it's possible to love someone even if you don't know them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:15 am
i like burnination PirateEire Sigh. If you don't know me, you can't love me. Love should be a cherished emotion, not something that is whored out to complete strangers. Gads, I hate altruism. it's possible to love someone even if you don't know them. I don't think so. I believe that love is a sincere and deep affection for those to whom you feel close, or an intimate relationship with those people. And maybe with chocolate. You can certainly feel charity for someone, and wish the best for them, even if you don't know them, but how can you say you love someone if you don't know what their values, dreams, etc are?
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