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Homosexual sex is agianst the Torah. BUT you can still be in love with someone of the same sex.

I respectfully disagree- I don't think it's right to do something just because it's been done to you.

We don't need another Holocaust.

Sorry, man, but I don't like religion bashing. I see enough of that where I'm at, I don't need to see it here either. This isn't the guild to be bashing any god.

If you do engage in the behavior that the Torah actually prohibits (male-male, face-to-face penetration) -- and not the dozen or so other acts that the Torah doesn't prohibit, but is popularly misunderstood to prohibit -- then the procedure for repentance is the same as for any other prohibited act. Such as, for example, engaging in heterosexual, married sexual relations (or touching one another, or passing an object or baby to one another) while the woman is in a state of nidah (separated, that is, during menstruation or the seven 'clear' days following menstruation).

Neither act is permitted by Torah. However, other sexual acts between two men, between two women (all of which are permitted), and between a married heterosexual couple -- are permitted. Straight couples who slip and have relations during the time they are proscribed, simply resume the nidah (waiting, separation) countdown of seven more days, then both go and immerse in the mikvah, and it's over. The mikvah gives them a fresh start, just as we discussed in the "Pre-Marital Sex" thread, I believe in the Jewish Information subforum but possibly in this main forum. No one bugs straight couples and says, "Are you engaging in sex during a woman's nidah time? Did you just pass your husband the salt? Shame on you!" No one ever intrudes enough to ask a straight couple what their specific acts are, out of modesty and good manners. You'll find that the more strongly a Jewish person or community adheres to the teachings of the Torah -- and especially those related to modesty and to lashon hara (gossip, the 'evil tongue'), the less personal questions they ask of other people, while the less knowledgeable and the less Torah-true a person is, the more they give a flying rip what other people are doing in privacy. Ironic, no?

There are several sexual acts prohibited for heterosexual couples -- a few dozen, in fact. There is one sexual act prohibited for a male homosexual couple. There are no sexual acts prohibited for a female homosexual couple. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw heterosexuality, despite far more prohibitions being placed Biblically on heterosexual couples. Homosexuality is not, in the grand scheme of sexual matters, that big a deal. I am continually puzzled at why it became such an enormous issue on a personal and political level.

I always considered hell to be a tool used to scare people into religion.. I only use it for figurative speech. :p

divash - I love your posts! They're so informative!!!! You know your s**t!

but a**l sex is forbidden for homosexuals though, wouldnt it be forbidden for heterosexuals as well? its all the same part.. a poohole is a poohole.

mind you, im actually not really turned on by a**l. im just trying to play devil's advocate a bit.

I don't see how that's turning people into the opposite gender. Because no matter what you say people will do it still, weather they be Jewish or another religion. If this "god" did in give them it, it could have easily have not made it. Clearly giving rules sent to by people to tell you want you can't do is just a joke in itself.

Though the world still will do mass murder. It will happen again by another people they differ from the last just the same bad reasons.