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 Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:10 pm
Relkin9 Lozt_1 Relkin9 MrsBHavin "...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council) that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later. Alister Crowley IIRC added the K as to seperate magic the falicy of the craft from the actual practice of Magick... Regardless, it is an innappropriate spelling, and should not be used by anyone that is learned. UHHH.... He is one of the for most minds on the occult and conversing with the dead... I think all his books should be required reading for any and all interested as well as all of anton Zander laveys books...
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:45 pm
Lozt_1 Relkin9 Lozt_1 Relkin9 MrsBHavin "...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council) that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later. Alister Crowley IIRC added the K as to seperate magic the falicy of the craft from the actual practice of Magick... Regardless, it is an innappropriate spelling, and should not be used by anyone that is learned. UHHH.... He is one of the for most minds on the occult and conversing with the dead... I think all his books should be required reading for any and all interested as well as all of anton Zander laveys books... I do not give A damn. You are talking about Wicca, and I am talking about magic. As it stands, he had no real right to do so to begin with, UNLESS he AUTHORED the English language. As it is, I doubt I will pay any attention to either of them.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:39 pm
to what i have been taught warlock is a word that means one who is a twister of truth and was attributed to male witches because the christians believed them to speak and teach the lies and words of the devil.
i could be wrong of course
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:50 pm
Morganna55 to what i have been taught warlock is a word that means one who is a twister of truth and was attributed to male witches because the christians believed them to speak and teach the lies and words of the devil. i could be wrong of course it doesnt matter if any of you are wrong with what you know as to what a warlock is. i started this thread asking people to tell what they knew about warlocks. then i asked my husband to share what he was taught from when he was one. so what i am actually saying to everyone is thank you for sharing your knowledge of what you knew and please do keep an open mind about the information that my husband has so politely shared with us seriously. to all be careful in your studies and always be aware of everything around you. stay safe is being safe so blessed be to one and to all 4laugh
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:38 am
The important thing to me personally about this whole issue of Warlocks can be summed up as:
1. Whatever the word and its origin, the reality is how we use it now. Many words have changed their meanings over the years to become something totally different from the original.
2. Warlocks did exist.
3. Warlocks are not satanists or figments of Hollywood any more than are Witches.
4. Being a Warlock is a legitimate title for a male Witch.
5. Witches and Warlocks are traditionaly outside of general society and each have their own special brands of magic, neither being inherently good or evil.
For Witches to denegrate Warlocks as evil or deluded is very dangerously like using the same dogma that is trotted out by the fundamentalists. No-one can afford to point fingers or throw stones at each other.
And lastly for those who like pigeon holing people: I am proud to be an initiated Wiccan; a Priest of the religion; a Pagan; a Witch; and very much also a Warlock.
taken from the site http://www.boudicca.de/warlock-e.htm
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:46 pm
Relkin9 I do not give A damn. You are talking about Wicca, and I am talking about magic. As it stands, he had no real right to do so to begin with, UNLESS he AUTHORED the English language. As it is, I doubt I will pay any attention to either of them. (small chuckle) Allright... can you point to the author of the English language then? Languages don't have authors. Any and all speaker of a language has the right to make revisions to it. That's how language evolves. How else, praytell, do new words evolve? Crowley's addition of the "k" was, from his perspective and others, a perfectly legitimate evolution of language. While some disagree with it as a 'misspelling' I don't quite see what the big deal is. To me it'd be like getting upset about spelling "theater" as "theatre." Who cares? Back to the warlock issue, in the Neopagan community (and perhaps a bit oustide it) it's generally defined as an oathbreaker. That's far from the only meaning of the term, but it's the more common usage of the term as far as I've seen within the community. So if you're a male witch who uses the term warlock, you'd better accept the fact that people might look at you strangely or shun you a bit for it.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:46 am
With what I learned I say they are oath-breakers or traitors.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:16 pm
One time i was called a warlock right in a public place i was shocked at first
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:27 am
Warlock = Betrayer. Thats the literal meaning. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:22 am
wow i actually thought this thread died or got deleted or something along those lines. and for those of you who say that they dont exist any more you are way wrong. and i hate to say that but its true. you should really research it for your own good. i know cause i have met a few and if it werent for my husband being there i wouldnt be here today telling you this information. and no i am not blowing smoke out my ears or anything like that i am telling you all the truth. just be careful every one and to be honest if you are reading what i just typed then chances are you believe me wether you want to admit it or not. any way have a good night everyone i must be off get at least 1 hour of sleep before i call my doctor to find out if he wants me to use the crutches... so good night and blessed be to all who care and to all those who dont.... heart
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:30 am
This is true. That is why male witches aren't called warlock's in the pagan community. They're still witches. A warlock is someone who has turned their backs to the true ways of the craft and use it for profit and personal gain. At least, that's my understanding of the word in some of the books I've read. Ivy_tsuki warlock is a word, I think, that originated around Italy, and was used to refer to someone who betrayed his/her family or country, a thief, or in general a scoundrel of sorts. Later it was used to denote someone who practiced sorcery.
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:21 am
Heh, I finally read the whoole post....a nice little round number it has now,20 blaugh I´ve got a few questions myself,and don´t remember these being discussed here before 4laugh I hope that they won´t endager you,Lozt1, or your family ninja sweatdrop
1.Whom do you exactly consider to be a witch,the ones you hunt?
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:34 am
You mentioned that you look for the aura of magic,of power that you can sense for miles...so I don´t suspect that all the witches you hunt equal to wiccans,since not all of them practice magic,just believe in it,and so they don´t have that kind of aura....since aura which shows magic use and belief in magic differs......on the other hand there are many magic users who aren´t wiccan,like thelemy,ceremonial magicians,necromants...etc. who have that aura of magic....sooo.....I was just wondering since all the time everyone´s saying here warlocks hunt witches..just who exactly are those witches......since many wiccans consider themselves to be witches...then there are those who consider themselves to be witches but not wiccans......perhaps you warlocks use the word witch to describe a group of magic users which fit into the description of whom you hunt,yet they don´t have any connection to the typical association of the word witch? twisted hehehehe I hope I don´t sound like some mind boggler... 4laugh
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