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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:04 pm
Freeman_Gordon I'll have to disagree with the statements of "Choas is a bad starter army." I've recently started playing 40K, and decided to get a Chaos army after I got my Macragge set. Why? Because Chaos Just seems so... Damn fascinating. There's just something cool about being the bad guys.
Back on topic, there really isnt any downside to Chaos. They're just as versatile as normal SM, but have some extra benefits (As well as lose some).
Other than a few questions I've had on what sort of expansions I should get on my army, I'm happy with them.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:07 am
And honestly, who's the real bad guy here anyhow?
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:41 am
Well, probably Dark Eldar are most evil of all, followed by Necrons and Chaos.
Tyranids are beyond morality since they are beasts. Orks are destructive, but rather stupid than evil. Eldar are random, can be cruel or merciful. Imperium is as cruel as it gets, but has reasons to do so (after all burning witches is ok if there are real witches and demons!). Tau try their best to act mercifully and peacefully, but in the WH40k world they more and more are pressed to adopt live and let die as motto...
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:39 am
Chaos isn't evil. Orks aren't stupid.
Necrons are a potential winner for "big bad guy" though.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:44 am
FlashbackJon Chaos isn't evil. Orks aren't stupid. Necrons are a potential winner for "big bad guy" though.
I think that Dark Eldar are pretty sadistic, but they're more misguided than evil.
I don't really know if Necrons have the capacity to be evil, much the same was as the Tyranids are. At the end of the day, both are just pawns. They're not sentient enough to change their minds about what they do.
If you want to get pretensious, the Imperium are the most evil of the armies. Similar to Chaos in many respects.
-Mykal
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:54 pm
I love how when I mis-word my posts, everybody goes off topic XP.
I know what you Mean King Kento.
My last line was supposed to (More or less) Describe what I wanted to say. I really just wanted to say that it's not all that hard to start with them, if you have a few friends that play 40K.
True, if you dont know anyone that plays it, the sheer amount of choices may completely confuzzle you and make your head a-splode, but then again, many armies have multiple choices that make a single descision a very difficult one indeed.
Like I was saying, other than a few question on what I should get to expand further my army, it's fairly easy to just pick something as a started set for your army and go with that choice, right?
Now, if you REALLY want to go all out and know how to truly defeat your opponents, ask some friends (Or some people here >.>) what choices to make, if you decided to choose the forces of Chaos.
Onto the topic of "Evil", I'd have to say Chaos IS the most evil.
Think about it this way. They honor and worship gods that range from the "Blood God", to the "Prince of Excess". They're goal is to pretty much kill anything that gets in thier ultimate way, whilst fufilling thier own "Horrific" and bloody needs.
Of course, I base this off of followers of Khorne, Primarly. I mean, they kill anything in thier way to satisfy thier god (Just to reap whatever rewards he gives, and they often kill themselves as they die, just to give another skull to Khorne's mountain of skulls.
Thats just my opinion, however.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:18 pm
Time for Doughboy to step in and represent all of shiny skeleton kind once more.
At first glance, if you're new to the story, CSM would be seen as the ultimate evil, seeing as they are dark corrupted forms of the "good guys," the space marines. I think that in terms of evil, it's a straight up split between Necrons and Chaos Space Marines. You see, CSM are the dark corrupt, anti-good kind of evil, the classic villain. Whereas Necrons, cold, soulless, annihalating everything for reasons unknown to all but their masters, who want to consume all life in the galaxy with the aid of untold legions, are the brand of evil the good guys and bad guys have to team up to defeat (each for their own reasons, of course.). That's my take on it, anyhow.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:22 am
Freeman_Gordon Onto the topic of "Evil", I'd have to say Chaos IS the most evil.
Think about it this way. They honor and worship gods that range from the "Blood God", to the "Prince of Excess". They're goal is to pretty much kill anything that gets in thier ultimate way, whilst fufilling thier own "Horrific" and bloody needs.
Of course, I base this off of followers of Khorne, Primarly. I mean, they kill anything in thier way to satisfy thier god (Just to reap whatever rewards he gives, and they often kill themselves as they die, just to give another skull to Khorne's mountain of skulls.
Thats just my opinion, however. And the contrary (emphasis mine): WAAARGH! The Orks Orks are not inherently evil; neither is Chaos. Likewise, Orks do not naturally or consistently affiliate with the forces of Chaos. Orks simply live by the crude survival-of-the fittest principles that pervade the universe. Warlike civilizations, such as that of the Orks, simply reflect these survivalist principles all the more. By the same token, Chaos is neither good nor evil; it simply mirrors the survivalist emotions of intelligent beings in the real universe. Thus, predatory powers of Chaos, be they deities or daemons, exist because living things generate these emotions. ...and (emphasis mine)... Realm of Chaos: Lost and the Damned THE CHAOS POWERS The Realm of Chaos is like an endless sea, and like a sea it is neither empty nor still. It is populated by the shadow-selves of both the living and the dead for the death of the material body does not destroy the shadow-self. Severed from its psychic link to the material body, the shadow-self drifts in the Realm of Chaos. As it does so, some of its energies are dispersed into the general flow, but the strongest and most distinctive mental traits remain. The countless shadow-selves of the dead flow together because they are mutually attracted by their common traits. Thus the shadow-selves of deceased warriors retain their most warlike traits, and flow together into a huge co-joined entity. This movement causes eddies and tides within the warp, and leads to the creation of vortices or whirlpools formed almost entirely of common traits. In the Realm of Chaos these whirlpools are called the Chaos Powers. A Chaos Power thus represents a particular and generally extreme aspect of the traits shown by the living. The traits which characterise the Chaos Powers are insanity, violence, ambition, greed, and others of a kind which are often felt to typify the worst of human nature. But this is not wholly the case, and Chaos Powers also exist which typify fellowship, charity, law and other redeeming characteristics. Indeed, no Chaos Power is wholly one sided, for no human or other creature is wholly good or evil, and likewise neither are their shadow-selves. For example, along with violence and bloodshed Khorne has inherited the warrior's sense of honour and martial virtue. Nurgle may typify decay and disease, but he also embodies the human hope and energy that defies the inevitable.The four Great Powers of Chaos represent the four largest and most powerful of these many co-joined entities. They are so large that they have achieved a coherent consciousness and will, a mind formed from the collective emotions and beliefs of the countless myriads of shadow-selves that comprise it. Other Chaos Powers sometimes achieve temporary consciousness, but their existence is less stable because they are smaller; they may be likened to slumbering gods whose dreams sometimes achieve a passing solidity and who will perhaps one day awake to full awareness. Finally, this... Quote: I mean, they kill anything in thier way to satisfy thier god ...can describe any race in 40k presently. wink
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:21 am
As far as evil is concerned. Firstly we should devine evil. Ultimately you can link anything that we describe as 'evil' to selfishness. So the truely evil are doing things only for themselves at the expense of everyone and everything else. At least is the best definition I have.
Moving on, the Eldar are far from evil (excluding the dark eldar), working to weaken the chaos powers, and in general just survive. Theyre not amazingly charitable, but at the same time theyre not evil, a very nuetral party. The harlequins however could be evil and at least I havent seen any fluff saying what their ultimate goal is just a blurb in their codex about how it is truely terrible knowledge or some such.
The dark eldar however are evil, they are the epitome of evil. Each lives only for themselves, any pact or agreement is out of some convenience and perhaps laziness. Theyve fallen to excess and obsessions. Hell because theyre so wholly evil and corrupted, its not too much of a suprise that they cant join up to crush any of the other races. Now obviously with the eldar and others Ill mention, the eldar are doing things only for themselves as a race, whereas the dark eldar cant even agree as a race and are individually evil.
The orks are a bit of an oddity in this. Theyre obviously waging war for the sheer pleasure of it, however they have some sense of honor on occasion, take in weaker people out of an admiration for their determination (diggas, right?), there seems to be no actual malice in what they do, just enjoyment. They can work together and enjoythemselves within their clans and mobs, and will take slaves rather than wipe a population out. So they define evil in being somewhat selfish, but at the same time i have trouble thinking of them as such just ebcause of the lack of malice.
Chaos was covered pretty damn well by Flashback. Definately evil in my opinion, but hardly completely or wholly evil.
Necrons, are mindless, wheras the C'tan easily can be called evil, definately just as evil as the dark eldar, there just happen to be more dark eldar.
Same goes for the nids, theyre mindless, however the being known as the Devourer is definately just as evil as the c'tan or the dark eldar. And so i think those three are in a tie.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:03 pm
(( Just a question but how did we go from starting armies to an evil argument? ))
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:13 am
PyroXTech (( Just a question but how did we go from starting armies to an evil argument? ))
Magic.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:16 am
Magic, and my foreigner english.
Even though I live in canada >.>
But I was born in the USSR. That counts for something, right?
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:04 am
*taps two mana and sacrifices a creature*
[dispell="derailment"]
The armies are all "evil" due to their morals.
Each are just as bad as the next to keep the forces in balance.
[/dispell="derailment"]
Now then, back to topic.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:27 pm
two black mana tapped, I cast LOCK!  If only
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:02 pm
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