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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:21 am
Definitely Light's the better Kira, Mikami Teru went mad in such a short time using the Death Note but Yagami Light well did go mad too but with power.. Also, Mikami would get caught easily..
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:40 pm
 Woe to the man who is different who tries to break down all the barriers You know...basically since everyone disagrees with me (I'm still the only one who says Mikami for non-personal reasons), does anyone mind trying to counter my little rant on the last page? For the sake of discussion? :3 Woe to the man who tries to stretch the imagination of man He shall be mocked; he shall be scourged by the blinkered guardians of morality {SONATA}
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:34 pm
a question to beat all other questions. my lord or the total hot piece of white chocolate that works for my lord...
SO. MUCH. PRESSURE.
i pick raito, no... mikami.. heart
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:13 pm
[~ Sonata Euphoriacide ~] -- {SONATA} -- If I am extreme, I am not extreme in the way you are Against Nature's silence, I use actionBIG POST THAT MAKES ALOT MORE SENSE THEN MINE. In the vast indifference, I invent a meaning I don't watch unmoved; I intervene No, I disagree. Light was using it because the world is rotten. He wants people to be able to be happy, to take away the bad, the rotten. He doesn't literally think EVERYONE is rotten, only murderers, real evil people. Also, about the desensitized to passing judgment, it was because he believed he killed them. "At first he was terrified" it says, correct? Similar to how Light was terrified. Also, let's say everyone embraces Kira from the beginning. Then Light would most certainly be a better Kira because: a) He wasn't killing "lazy" people, only evil people. Mikami terrified them, Light only made good people a little scared. b) Light most definitely wouldn't tell anyone about the Death Note. Nor would Mikami. So, Mikami would still have given up the half lifespan simply to kill criminals whose name he couldn't find, reducing the Kirera(my new term for the era of Kira :3) by half, killing less criminals. If it was like it is now, with L, Mikami would have been caught much quicker, again reducing the Kirera. Also, about the "Light was against Kira when he wasn't Kira" . He wasn't, remember? "It's frighteningly close to my ideals" . Also, why would Light quit the investigation team? How could he? L was still suspicious of him, and if Light had asked to quit, it's almost certain L's kirating on him would have gone up. This was great experience for Light on becoming a real detective, as well as finding out how Kira kills.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:10 pm
To be fair, I'd have to pick Light.
But DAMN, you just gotta love crazy Mikami.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:31 am
Wow, Sonata. I just read most of what you wrote and have to say, you've made me more inclined to say Mikami as well. xD I hadn't really looked at it in such an angle before - Mikami really is more just and a 'better Kira' than Light. He spent his childhood defending his fellow students from bullies and became a lawyer to further pursue that desire to put criminals to justice. When you compare Light's reasons to Mikami's, it certainly looks a lot more like Light just decided to kill criminals on a whim whereas Mikami had a more noble purpose. ( Save for the crazy and killing off lazy people. xD )
Though I do think that Light's intentions were originally good, clouded and flawed, but good. Sure, he had a ridiculous amount of pride, but the thought behind it, wanting to make the word a better place ( even if it was only to suit his own needs and desires ) was good. Though that did quickly escalate into a lust for power and 'fame' once he met more challenges, and it just became nothing more than a game that he had to win for the sake of his own pride and dignity.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:16 pm
Ah, well, Light always gave Kira a good reputation...i will always think Light is the better Kira due the fact that he could handle L, Near and Mello even tho at the end well...it was stupid xD Personally i think Teru acted too insane...but maybe he got too excited about being picked as the new kira xD who knows...maybe he would have acted differently if he got the dn first....i think both of them rock...i love theeeem heart xD
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:29 pm
raito was able to be kira for like what..5 years before anyone had anything on him teru was basivly found in in like 6 months.. lol..yeah
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:11 pm
Light was definitly the better kira, he was just so much smarter and more calculating, however its those exact qualities that make me like mikami so much more
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:46 am
Uhh. Both.
!!SPOILER ALERT!!
Mikami cause he's basically a human blood balloon and explodes apparently when you stab him with a pen. And he says "Sakujo."
Light because he's smarter. And lasts longer as kira than Mikami.
!!END OF SPOILER ALERT!!
Aaaand, my chocolate shake is frozen. T__T ::Jabs shake with straw desperately:: NEED.CHOCOLATE. I PAID $1.40 FOR THIS!! ::SOB::
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:47 am
L_LawIiet No, I disagree. Light was using it because the world is rotten. He wants people to be able to be happy, to take away the bad, the rotten. He doesn't literally think EVERYONE is rotten, only murderers, real evil people. Also, about the desensitized to passing judgment, it was because he believed he killed them. "At first he was terrified" it says, correct? Similar to how Light was terrified. Also, let's say everyone embraces Kira from the beginning. Then Light would most certainly be a better Kira because: a) He wasn't killing "lazy" people, only evil people. Mikami terrified them, Light only made good people a little scared. b) Light most definitely wouldn't tell anyone about the Death Note. Nor would Mikami. So, Mikami would still have given up the half lifespan simply to kill criminals whose name he couldn't find, reducing the Kirera(my new term for the era of Kira :3) by half, killing less criminals. If it was like it is now, with L, Mikami would have been caught much quicker, again reducing the Kirera. Also, about the "Light was against Kira when he wasn't Kira" . He wasn't, remember? "It's frighteningly close to my ideals" . Also, why would Light quit the investigation team? How could he? L was still suspicious of him, and if Light had asked to quit, it's almost certain L's kirating on him would have gone up. This was great experience for Light on becoming a real detective, as well as finding out how Kira kills. Rereading my original post again, your post, and specific sections of the volume, then I admit I'm wrong on some parts and could've worded it differently, such as the first one. Yes, he might not percieve the whole world as rotten, but I still think he's "trying to prove his own existence" by changing the world around him. In ch. 105, he thinks that he views his role as Kira as "a mission entrusted" to him, he was chosen to "make amends for this rotten world and to create a truly safe and ideal world," because he thought there was something special about him that would make him "the only one who could do it."
Well, yes, Mikami was negatively affected by this "power" at first, but it was without the use of the Death Note. It achieved the same effect, but even if he hadn't come into contact with the Note, he still went through that period of desensitivation. The process would be much smoother-and with that combined with that he saw it as God lending him divine power, he was eager to use the Death Note.
But if we assume that everyone accepts Kira, wouldn't that include the criminals, too (so that they wouldn't commit crimes)? The Kirera would go on indefinitely or invisibly until someone actually does something questionable. But I do agree with the last point, if Mikami had taken the Death Note instead of Light in the first place and had to against L, he would be caught sooner. I did mention that when I had said that Raito was the more efficient Kira.
I was mistaken on saying that innocent!Raito was "fervently against Kira," looking more throughly into my volumes, but at that time his sense of justice still retains a bit of influence from his father's. He does consider the possibility and agrees that there are certain people the world would be better without, but he denies the fact that he would be able to go so far as to kill a person. And where did I mention that he would quit the Kira case?
I'm sorry for not replying to this sooner. caffeine add!ction Wow, Sonata. I just read most of what you wrote and have to say, you've made me more inclined to say Mikami as well. xD I hadn't really looked at it in such an angle before - Mikami really is more just and a 'better Kira' than Light. He spent his childhood defending his fellow students from bullies and became a lawyer to further pursue that desire to put criminals to justice. When you compare Light's reasons to Mikami's, it certainly looks a lot more like Light just decided to kill criminals on a whim whereas Mikami had a more noble purpose. ( Save for the crazy and killing off lazy people. xD ) Though I do think that Light's intentions were originally good, clouded and flawed, but good. Sure, he had a ridiculous amount of pride, but the thought behind it, wanting to make the word a better place ( even if it was only to suit his own needs and desires ) was good. Though that did quickly escalate into a lust for power and 'fame' once he met more challenges, and it just became nothing more than a game that he had to win for the sake of his own pride and dignity. Thank you. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "subjective reasons" in my original posts, as my judging criteria was different than the other posters (personal, maybe? I didn't say it was because anime!Mikami was good entertainment or something along those lines). One more thing about the bullying. Whereas we know that child!Mikami actively tried to stick up for the victims, in ch.1, we see Light witnessing the same situation (granted, it's not on the same level as some of what the bullies at Mikami's school did, but still falls under the bullying category) and he acts differently. He ponders killing the bully (but concludes that it's best to kill people that he didn't know), but never really intervenes.
Normally, when people say that Raito started out with good intentions I tend to disagree, but the way you worded it (that his motivations were good yet "flawed and clouded"), I agree.
I'm sorry for not replying sooner to this, too.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:12 am
Light was better. Mikami Teru wouldnt have been able to handle it without him, the pressure of being Kira and the power that he had anyway. He did a good job but not good enough to be a better Kira.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:38 pm
I would have said Light is the better Kira, with no question, except that I read Sonata's post, and you really made me think about it.
I agree that Light's original IDEA was good, perhaps not purely for-the-sake-of-mankind, but good. However, Light doesn't just have pride, he has a HUGE ego. So I also agree that Light's motives weren't completely for the sake of the world, but for himself. He SAID that he thought the world was rotten, but in later volumes, and by looking between the lines, we can see that his motives later become a bit off. For instance, the way he goes about things--black and white, wrong and right. If you're not good, you're evil--would technically make him evil, as Ryuk said at the beginning. But Light went farther than that, to the point where anyone who tried to stop him, regardless of his/her character, was defeated. I agree that in order to do his job, he would have had to kill those pursuing him, but that's a paradox--go against your morals and kill good people, or lose the ability to be a god in the first place?
Light is smarter and overall more witty than Mikami, that's also true. And inevitably, that makes him a better Kira since he would be the only one able to match L's intelligence even if he couldn't match Near's.
Mainly, the reason I dislike Mikami is because I felt the power of the Death Note ended up driving him mad, and he helped Light on the way to his downfall. Sure, Light would have eventually fallen on his own, or died, but Mikami didn't exactly help (toward the end. Without him, Light wouldn't have been able to get that far anyhow.)
However, I believe Sonata's got it right in the true spirit of Kira. Light was bored. This is stated several times in the first volume, and while Light did what I do not believe Mikami could have, he wasn't looking for a way to do it. In fact, it seems as though he wasn't sure what he wanted from the world until he found the Death Note. Technically it comes down to fate, or luck, or whatever you want to call it, that Light found the Note first. However, before the Note, he was not bent on cleaning up the world. Sure, he may have thought it was a rotten place, but he had no plans or passion to fix it until after he had the power.
Mikami, on the other hand, spent his life trying to help the weak and strike down the evil. We see this throughout his flashbacks and childhood.The spirit of cleaning up the world was circulating in Mikami's mind since a young age, and it didn't take a book falling from the sky to prompt his attack on the rotten people of the world, considering he was a lawyer. I agree that he had done nothing significant (in regards to the entire world, not just locally) until after Kira appeared, but the idea that was not present in Light's mind until he was able to execute it was in Mikami's before he could. And so, in regards to the spirit and ideals that should belong to a true Kira, Mikami is better suited.
It would really be best if Mikami's passion and Light's intelligence had modeled into one body, of course. ^^
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:10 am
Mikami could be as smart as Light,but just a little crazy and calls him god eek xp
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:17 am
definetly light ftw Light wrote down names of people who deserved to perish he also was very smart with his actions...at least up until he went insane in the end
anyways Mikami was insane. he disgraced Kira. He gave Kira a bad reputation. he wrote down names of any one who comitted any kind of felony
So....Light all the way
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