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What you said first about the record companies adding the subliminal messages is incorrect. When whosoever is singing a song is possessed by satan, satan can do many things, one of those things being having the ability to add a satanic subliminal message. Therefore, the record companies have nothing to do with the messages.

Now, what you say about that movie you watched confused me a bit. I took it that you were scared or had an uneasy feeling about the song in the movie. Can you explain that to me?

there was no song in the movie. i wasn't talking about a song. I was just using movies as an example of how movies/visual imagery can have subliminal messaging type thing in them. of course, you wouldnt' be able to see it cuz it flashes really quick.

Well, you have your opinion on the matter of record companies adding subliminal messages. I already stated mine, and I still stick to it. I don't disagree that it is also possible and probable in some situations that what you said also happens. But, the bible does say that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world. against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I think people who own large corporations like record companies have within their power and grasp... a tool they can use to affect the masses very easily. and it is entirely possible for the record companies or someone there to do this. It is also possible neither the artists nor the company itself in general are aware of this. and some people who work in the area of adding the music to the medium they are put on [like cd or cassettes] maybe add these to the music.

Now, if what you say is true.. here is a little project for someone who's interested. try to get a video tape or copy of a live performance of that song. Record the song we are discussing on a tape recorder. then try to run that backwards. compare it with what we've heard about their album recording of the song. If it is in fact the devil projecting himself through a demonic possession of these people.. [and pray for them that they would be freed of that stronghold]-then it would also be there in the live music also. as you can bet the devil would love to perform a massive influential time.. for him that would be like church is for evangelists.

Forget that crap. i listen to christian and secular music. i like mixing. i also like the fact that theyboth have a good outlook on life. just because a band is not christian dosen't mean that they don't have something relative to say.

OK. here you go Lyrics to a Black Sabath song

After Forever.

Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead
you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head
or is he a part of you
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book
when you were at school?
When you think about death do you lose your breathe
or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
- Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light
and I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely
and scared at the end of Our days

Could it be you're afraid of what you friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above
They should realize before they criticise
That God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun

I think it was true it was people like you
that crucified Christ
I think it sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near
say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down
now you can't retrieve.

Perhaps you'll think before you say
that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just, realize that he is the One
The only One Who can save you now from all this sin & hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! - I think it's too late.


there now tell me again how satanic ozzy osbourne is.

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Haters: zilch.

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