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KingD16

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:57 pm


Megatron is dead, no part of his spark is left, the Allspark completely destroyed him. Yes, Shockwave was in the 360 version, and he was a triple changer. They are also planning on bringing in Soundwave, so they're trying to use size changing transformations. Frenzy probably survived in a heavily damaged state. Another thing about Scorponok, he can transform. TThe scorpion was his transformed state, he didn't like his robot state because he felt it was useless.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:01 pm


Shockwave being leader of the Decepticons question I will not mind for him being the leader, but I guess he will have competition against Starscream on whoever will lead the Decepticons on the new film.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:02 pm


i think that like star scream is going to come back and try to take megatrons place like he did in the animated seres
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:57 pm


KingD16
Megatron is dead, no part of his spark is left, the Allspark completely destroyed him. Yes, Shockwave was in the 360 version, and he was a triple changer. They are also planning on bringing in Soundwave, so they're trying to use size changing transformations. Frenzy probably survived in a heavily damaged state. Another thing about Scorponok, he can transform. TThe scorpion was his transformed state, he didn't like his robot state because he felt it was useless.


Well I disagree with "no part of his spark is left" because in the movie there was no mention that they even have a spark! The only speak of spark was in the Allspark. Even when they said Jazz is dead they didn't say his spark was extinguished. They said he's damaged beyond repair. So I'm assuming given the ability of the Allspark to give Frenzy his body back, it would be unlikely that it would destroy Megatron. I would be more inclined to believe that it short circuited him but not killed him and as his auto repair system kicks in and the energy from the Allspark lowers some it will regenerate the hole in his chest. Besides when have you seen Megatron die so easily?

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KingD16

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:44 pm


Jazz is being brought back. And I know the Allspark rebuilt Frenzy, but it was because he touched it. Said Allspark was violently shoved into Megatron's chest, it destroyed his right arm and left leg if you looked in the end of the movie. All of that power, the power that gave life to a planets worth of extremely powerful sentient robotic life, is too much for any one individual, just like Prime said. Also, trying to fuse it with Megatron destroyed all but the small fragment Prime picked up. ANd Megatron would have died in the 86' movie, except he was saved by Unicron. Also, he was clearly not functioning whn he was dropped into the Abyss, and the pressure would be sufficient to crush the remains fo his frame.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:16 pm


If the Allspark is the source of all Transformer life, then Megs was taken down with an overflow of that energy. With literally too much life. I personally feel that didn't destroy him, as knocked him out- such as a human's mind tends to shut down when faced with more than it can handle. Think of it as a coma.

The Allspark didn't destroy Megs, as much as the power melted his core with energy. I have my feelings that such energy was not destroyed, but takes time to manifest. Deep in the abyss, the cold and pressure could be used as an explanation as to why if Megs comes back, he would be stronger, more durable, and worthy of a new moniker: Galvatron.

Concerning the destroyed arm and leg, if you notice, at the end of the battle, such limbs were attached. There is no explanation as to what happened there, but such is the magic of movies. Not everything has to be spelled out. Other notes I disagree with are the attitude of Scoponok, the size change issues, and the 86 movie reference.

Scorponok did not find his robot mode useless, he merely preferred the insectoid mode. According to all information, he is barely sentient- or actually barely what other TFs call alive. his programming/mind is so basic, that there is little more than the desire to hunt and kill.

Size change issues were never going to be part of this movie(s). Michael Bay made it abundantly clear that he did not wish to address such issues. I seriously doubt that he would go back on those plans for future movies.

Did you even watch the same movie as I did from 1986?! You call that easy? It was nothing less than a brawl, a streetfight between Prime and Megs. In the end, Megs might have lived with proper repair. Instead, he was abandoned into the vastness of space (and not for the first time) where Unicron found him. In light of future discoveries by fandom . . . it is also possible that he would have gone into stasis lock, and stayed that way until saved.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:24 am


KingD16
Jazz is being brought back. And I know the Allspark rebuilt Frenzy, but it was because he touched it. Said Allspark was violently shoved into Megatron's chest, it destroyed his right arm and left leg if you looked in the end of the movie. All of that power, the power that gave life to a planets worth of extremely powerful sentient robotic life, is too much for any one individual, just like Prime said. Also, trying to fuse it with Megatron destroyed all but the small fragment Prime picked up. ANd Megatron would have died in the 86' movie, except he was saved by Unicron. Also, he was clearly not functioning whn he was dropped into the Abyss, and the pressure would be sufficient to crush the remains fo his frame.


Ratchet said it "might destroy him" and Optimus replied that if he has to be the sacrifice to save Earth then so be it. That doesn't conclude that the Allspark will kill anything that merges with it, hence I don't think it killed.

As for the arms and legs I believe what happen was the magnesium bullets (or was it Sabot bullets...) the humans fired blew it off like Scorponok's tail. If I remember correctly, the only reason why the Allspark even had a chance to get shoved into his chest was because Megatron was crawling on the ground trying to reach Sam and then Sam shoved it into his chest instead of Optimus's because he rather risk blowing up Megatron than blowing up Optimus. So the arm and leg wasn't the cause of the Allspark being shoved in his chest. The Allspark only burned a hole through him and shut him off. It did nothing else. At least nothing that was clearly stated.

As well Megatron has been abandoned many times in the series. Floating in outer space (as Megatron and Galvatron), sinking to the depths of Earth's oceans, dying in the pits of lava outside the ark, freezing in the ice for eons. He always comes back in 1 piece (even if he looks different after the first outer space journey). If Starscream had not tossed him out into space he would have came back just the same as every other time he "died".

Personally I hope they don't bring Galvatron yet because then it means they can have more sequels mrgreen
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:57 am


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Shockwave being leader of the Decepticons question I will not mind for him being the leader, but I guess he will have competition against Starscream on whoever will lead the Decepticons on the new film.

Well at the end of the film StarScream flies off back to cybertron which is under Decepticon rule and the last psp level ShockWave and him duke it out for control all you see is it fade out as you make the last shot on Shockwave. (who is only a futuristic tank on the psp version).

As for Scorpinok my bad I re-watched it and your right sweatdrop hes a fast lil bugger is all I can say.

Okay after a re-think I belive what is going to happen is:
(this is for the 2nd movie but could spread over to a third)

The Autobots are going to establish a base in the mountins hidden somewhere (remember they said hoover damn hid Megs energy signiture so a mountin will hide theres) and they will have a more so kind of Force, anyways we will see Starscreen fly back to cybertron and start fighting with ShockWave (who remember wants all Autobots dead) maybe the line about forgiving his betrayl will lead to Starscream talking about SW's betrayl (flash back covering his game role), anyways SW will defeat SS and lead an assault on earth to destory the AutoBots causing War all out but then a wounded StarScream will try and awaken Megatron (possibly leading to Galvatron) and lead their own assault on ShockWave etc.

That or it will be a modern version of the part up to StarScreams leadership from the 80's TF film so Unicron will show his ugly face.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:35 pm


All these predictions sound exciting. I'm just wondering if the general movie goers will be able to keep up with all of it. I personally don't mind if they decide to cut a few things out so long as they stay true to the original character personalities. So far, I think they've done a good job.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:28 pm


well its setled i cant wait until the 2nd move comes out >@

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:32 pm


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Sugihide
Shockwave being leader of the Decepticons question I will not mind for him being the leader, but I guess he will have competition against Starscream on whoever will lead the Decepticons on the new film.

Well at the end of the film StarScream flies off back to cybertron which is under Decepticon rule and the last psp level ShockWave and him duke it out for control all you see is it fade out as you make the last shot on Shockwave. (who is only a futuristic tank on the psp version).
You just told of the PSP version of Transformers the Movie game. Anyways, I wonder if the new Decepticon leader will either be Galvatron, Magatron, or Zarek question
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:01 am


Sugihide
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Sugihide
Shockwave being leader of the Decepticons question I will not mind for him being the leader, but I guess he will have competition against Starscream on whoever will lead the Decepticons on the new film.

Well at the end of the film StarScream flies off back to cybertron which is under Decepticon rule and the last psp level ShockWave and him duke it out for control all you see is it fade out as you make the last shot on Shockwave. (who is only a futuristic tank on the psp version).
You just told of the PSP version of Transformers the Movie game. Anyways, I wonder if the new Decepticon leader will either be Galvatron, Magatron, or Zarek question

Yep hence I said the 'last psp level', I think Galvatron will come back but after another leader (starscream most likely)

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Sugihide

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:30 am


Ravenger-VXS
Sugihide
Ravenger-VXS
Sugihide
Shockwave being leader of the Decepticons question I will not mind for him being the leader, but I guess he will have competition against Starscream on whoever will lead the Decepticons on the new film.

Well at the end of the film StarScream flies off back to cybertron which is under Decepticon rule and the last psp level ShockWave and him duke it out for control all you see is it fade out as you make the last shot on Shockwave. (who is only a futuristic tank on the psp version).
You just told of the PSP version of Transformers the Movie game. Anyways, I wonder if the new Decepticon leader will either be Galvatron, Magmatron, or Zarek question

Yep hence I said the 'last psp level', I think Galvatron will come back but after another leader (starscream most likely)
Well, I just hope Leonard Nimoy will reprise him if Galvatron is revealed to be the new leader of the Decepticons.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:01 am


On May 30, 2007, DreamWorks greenlit two sequels to Transformers. Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox and Peter Cullenare signed on to return. Producer Tom DeSanto has envisioned a storyline introducing the Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave. Writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman may not return, as "the next Star Trek is taking up most of their time." Michael Bay has not signed on, "trying to keep some leverage for the negotiations," but already has ideas, including an aircraft carrier character. The producers expect that with a bigger budget and the special effects worked out, the Transformers will have a larger role. Mark Ryan stated in an interview that he had recorded some material for the DVD release of the film that "[has] to do with the Prequel that will set up the second film."
this is all form Wikipedia and there is more! and yes scorpinx brings back megatron.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:12 pm


megatron becomes galv and kills starscream optimus dies
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