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 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:25 pm
One of the interesting things about Death Note is the fact that no one is really depicted as good or evil overall. Instead of being black and white, everyone in the series falls under one of the myriad shades of gray, which is much more realistic than 'this is the good guy, this is the bad guy'.
That said, everyone has their own personal opinions of which side is good and which side is evil. I'd say that who you choose to support, who you view as good and bad, says a lot about a person's beliefs and morals.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:32 am
Raito_Kun I can see were your coming from but L is only doing this because he is selfish, and wants to take part in this case. Whats the point of calling Lawliet selfish?There is no part in the story where he acts the least bit selfish. -=Evil stare=- evil I mean, I'm all for Light-kun and what he is doing, but man, he really starts to act psychotic towards the middle...or end-er-ish part... :-/ I like what Lolly said. 'Well, in a storyline sense, L is the bad guy. In the if-Death-Note-was-real-life-sense, Light is the bad guy.'
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:02 pm
serjtankian_is_god Raito_Kun I can see were your coming from but L is only doing this because he is selfish, and wants to take part in this case. Whats the point of calling Lawliet selfish?There is no part in the story where he acts the least bit selfish. -=Evil stare=- evil I mean, I'm all for Light-kun and what he is doing, but man, he really starts to act psychotic towards the middle...or end-er-ish part... :-/ I like what Lolly said. 'Well, in a storyline sense, L is the bad guy. In the if-Death-Note-was-real-life-sense, Light is the bad guy.' L is only doing this for his own gain. he thinks of It as a game or puzzle. thats the only reason he is partaking in the kira case
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:01 am
Raito_Kun serjtankian_is_god Raito_Kun I can see were your coming from but L is only doing this because he is selfish, and wants to take part in this case. Whats the point of calling Lawliet selfish?There is no part in the story where he acts the least bit selfish. -=Evil stare=- evil I mean, I'm all for Light-kun and what he is doing, but man, he really starts to act psychotic towards the middle...or end-er-ish part... :-/ I like what Lolly said. 'Well, in a storyline sense, L is the bad guy. In the if-Death-Note-was-real-life-sense, Light is the bad guy.' L is only doing this for his own gain. he thinks of It as a game or puzzle. thats the only reason he is partaking in the kira case And how does trying to solve a misterious murdering case, even if you like games or puzzles, make him selfish? I still don't understand why some one would say that... :-/
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:17 pm
serjtankian_is_god Raito_Kun serjtankian_is_god Raito_Kun I can see were your coming from but L is only doing this because he is selfish, and wants to take part in this case. Whats the point of calling Lawliet selfish?There is no part in the story where he acts the least bit selfish. -=Evil stare=- evil I mean, I'm all for Light-kun and what he is doing, but man, he really starts to act psychotic towards the middle...or end-er-ish part... :-/ I like what Lolly said. 'Well, in a storyline sense, L is the bad guy. In the if-Death-Note-was-real-life-sense, Light is the bad guy.' L is only doing this for his own gain. he thinks of It as a game or puzzle. thats the only reason he is partaking in the kira case And how does trying to solve a misterious murdering case, even if you like games or puzzles, make him selfish? I still don't understand why some one would say that... :-/ L didn't try to solve the case for his own gain, he's hardly selfish at all. He's a detective, that's reason enough for him to get involved. But he says throughout the anime and manga that Kira's killing people and that's wrong, so in a sense, as well as trying to 'win the game', he's also aiming to save lives. He says Kira is evil, and so by trying to stop Kira, he's trying to fight evil. How is wanting to fight what he considers to be evil selfish? L admits to being childish because he hates to lose, but I hardly think that means he's selfish or attempting to solve the case for his own gain. I wish I could've worded that better. xD
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:39 pm
This is the hardest question i've had to think for a while...
Really, I think L is the good guy, but why can't Raito be good at the same time?
In the end of DN, I think Raito was insane and didn't consider what was he doing, just killing people. It started to be a huge routine to him.
But even though, after thinking for awhile I think L and the others are the goodguys and Raito's the badguy.
But I can't help it, I like them both so much and I'm often on the badguy's side.
First when I started to watch DN, I so wished that L would turn to Raito's side and they'd use the Death Note together. But unfortunately that can't be true...
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:41 pm
Forget what I said before, I say nothing about anyone.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:54 pm
I love Light. <3 <3 <3 <3
But he's definately the bad guy, even if he's the main character. I was rooting for his downfall all the way through.
I wouldn't lump the members of the Japanese police task for with him though. Aizawa and Mogi both come to believe Near. Matsuda is one of the few pure souls in Death Note. By that, I mean that I don't think that Matsuda is even capable of being evil or even supporting evil once he confronts it.
After all. SPOILER -> { At the end when Light starts to write Near's true name down in a scrap of the Death Note, it is Matsuda who shoots him to stop him. }
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:06 pm
well i cant really see where L is bad here
if your talking about puzzles and such that would fit more near and mello then L
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:03 am
Raito_Kun Forget what I said before, I say nothing about anyone. Fine with me. Eh.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:52 am
Actually, this is a topic my “godfather” and I once debated on. And I do think that the L is the good guy here.
It’s true that L is considered as the antagonist of the story. I also admit that Light’s view of justice has a point. The problem though is his way of achieving this. Killing is an intrinsic evil, an act which is evil however good your intentions are.
But it makes me wonder if the real reason why Kira (or Light) kills is because he wanted a crime-free world. For some reason, I can’t help but think that he only considered his interests when he said he wanted that new world. He probably didn’t care much about the other people. He just wanted to be a god, and by killing those criminals, people would start looking up to him, worship him even. Which is exactly what he wants. Trying to "rid the world of evil", as he calls it, might just be an excuse for his real goal.
He then resorted to killing and betraying the people against him. Yet, those people are innocent and are merely trying to fight for their own view of justice. But to show everyone that he is INDEED a god, he devised plans to get them out of the way (a.k.a. killing them) as only an omnipotent could (through the help of the Death Note). He even used his own father for his ambition, not even stopping him from making the eye deal with Ryuk. When Yagami Souichiro died, all Light thought about was the death of Mello. In the end, the justice he had believed in was trampled by greediness. This makes him evil.
P.S. Sorry if this didn’t make much sense. To tell you the truth, I’m only half-awake. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:08 pm
Hmm. I don't know. When the episode sets on Light's point of view, it makes him the hero and L as a criminal. L did break some few rules to catch Kira.. On the other hand, when it comes to justice, L's the protagonist making Light the criminal. Either way is fine with me. It makes the story really exciting to see them battle. I'm on both sides. :'D
I think Light's a good person. He's so innocent before the death note fell in his hands. @___@ Those two have a really strong sense of justice. But I've seen a lot of justice--- X-LAWS, Shirou's (Fate/Stay night), Law of Ueki with Kobasen... I bet Tsugumi Ohba-san wants everyone to take any side. Their mind games are so interesting-- LOL, RYUK. I enjoyed the battle when the L successors came in. 8D
"The world is rotten." Light's theory for me is correct. Anyone who thinks I'm wrong--- are Anti-Death note fans who hate death note! D: When he meant cleansing the world, he didn't have to kill those people. O: The movie, DN-- I remember the actor of Light played the person in Battle Royale the movie. He was thinking of bringing up war to take out (bad) grown-ups but realized it was wrong. I think L's trying to show Kira that his whole "purifying" thing's just messed up and he should leave the world alone. I don't think I explained it well. >.< Before, I hated Light because he killed L but now I think Kira was doing a good job but his idea's just full of violence. Kinda like bombing for peace's like ******** for virginity. XD
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:49 pm
Whoever thinks that Light is a good guy is prolly a nazi. sweatdrop I mean, what else could a mass murdering maniac be? I say L is a good guy! Killing is never the answear.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:34 pm
In the end, I think that L and his group are the good guys with no doubt. Why do you think I love Light so much?
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:34 am
Who is the good guy? Light Or L?
~X~
Who is the good guy? hitler or everyone else?
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